worst reds

ob · Post by ob » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:00 am

ok I thought FNC was up there with worst CURRENT reds (take two etc. is not current lol!) but FUCK ME show me the mummy is taking the piss, had some terrible results on em, including a few losses when they've been red properly 1st board..... it's amazing how bad the hi-lo is between £15-25 and £25-35, £35-top is pretty rank too, and this when the machine is WAY WAY overdue as in red properly for £50+, still takes the piss...

so for me... at the moment, Show me the mummy takes the first prize for shittest red...

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:41 am

Ouch! Sounds like you've had a couple of nasty results there ob.

I've played two of these (One of them in Gsend) and have had good results so far. I've not lost the gamble from the £35 to the top, but have indeed noticed that the £15-£25 block is tighter than on other Reds.

I've also got a bit of a theory that taking a few Red features along the way can 'open up' the force and still not detract from the value given when you get the top.

I know we all debate time and time again the true 'signs' for the majority of Reds, but I think the only one you can really tell on this, is being offered the £15 each time you get a nudge trail entry. I had it five times in a row the other day (within £10 of credits) until it would break and the top went for £70 followed by a £35 within £5 of credits and a Red PG within the next £7.

So, I'd say for this, the sequence goes:

- £5 Block passed
- £10 Block passed
- Redding
- £15 Offered from nudges frequently

After that, you should be on for a good streak.

Here's to a better result next time...

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:28 am

I had 12 nudges 3 spins on the trot on this the other day, each time £15 was there but it bumped going lower than a 10 twice then going higher than a 2. this is also from full and showing. also been over £200 in but luckily halves with someone that kept doing £35 tops, finally did a £70 and died and lost about £40 each...... nasty :x :x :x .

got about 5 of these near me that i don't bother with cause there are lots of much much better reds around

jeffvickers · Post by **jeffvickers** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:45 am

Only played the machine once and probably only once (unless a scam gets out).

Them blocks are nasty!

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:54 am

Did alright on this yesterday. The ARB1 1st board reeled me straight in. But as you say the block on this takes the p*ss. Died at £5 then next board dropped in £10 on nudges and let me gamble to £15 but then died. I then died about 5 times from £15 to £25 before it finally went up to the top for £35 next board went straight up again for £35 though but then it died. So £40 in £77 out is a good result but not brilliant for a ARB1 machine.

Stopnstep · Post by **Stopnstep** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:00 am

Gamble can be very harsh, £25 - £35 and £35 - Top are the worst. The only consolation is that you get the £15 or £25 alot on Mega so you have a lot of chances at it. Having more good times than bad at the mo.

ob · Post by ob » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:17 am

compared to on a roll and vortex I'd say you rarely get £15/25 from the mega spin nudges tbh, thats another great feature of the machine

MrRed · Post by **MrRed** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:45 pm

I would say that the £15 comes in quite a bit, the £25 not so much
The £25 to £35 block is bad it just throws in bad numbers all the time 5,6,7

I actually find this ok
Showing 7 red or under on this is not a sign to take it on
It needs to show 8 at least
When i have played them from either genuine full or 8+ red i have never lost
And i am gonna annoy some by saying this again, but from time to time i mix it up collecting the £35 and then others going for top
It has worked for me so far so that is how i play them
As you know i play FNC this way and find this is the best way to play these

I almost got stung on one showing 7 red with no lines and only a £2 win
It was difficult to key so tried a board and it was 7 red
No notechanger so waited to key and glad i did, £109 off

I have had 2 £105 tops off this, both times the next board showed 6/7 red nothing there
Is it a new bit of programming to suck us in?
I think it is

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:18 pm

These are a bit stupid like that i agree. Just for no reason when they're dead they can be 4-6 red feature showing. You know its as fake as Jordans rack when it offers reel snake and normal hidden riches on said board.

£15 nudge wins or red off nothing aer the only really good signs on these. I'm also agreeing about pointlessly throwing in 5/6/7/8 for no reason. Older reds hardly ever used to give you cack numbers, this does it all the time!

Nixxy · Post by **Nixxy** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:12 pm

I've got an SMTM in a smallish pub which only refills on a Monday morning, and I'm finding it hard to read too.

Infact - I'd say the best results have come when it's backing and NOT redding at all ... ie. you think the red features would start to show up but it throws rather blatent ABB1 boards at you. It seems to be an attempt to throw players off the scent infact - and then it suddenly throws a £25 nudge win at you which gambles up at the second or third attempt, usually resulting in a £70 (or very rarely a £105) win.

The rest of the time it seems geared to make profit from players: half or more red boards; frequent £10/£15 nudge wins; offering green hiddens, etc ...

Remember all those questions in the Player's Heaven survey about '.. do you believe that seeing red features will mean a better payout?' - SMTM could well be the result of too many respondents answering 'Yes'.

JG · Post by JG » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:53 pm

Very true. I got suckered in by getting an early red feature (ready steady go). Thought it might be worth a go, didn't have my key. Ended up getting a mushy £40 down.

ob · Post by ob » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:02 am

had yet more poor results on this today; the streaks I'm getting are terrible, along the lines of (from def. red i.e. 1 nudge AB1/2) £50 for £35, £70 for £35, £10 for £35.. and then stone, literally had that loads on this.

ABSOLUTELY LOVES showing 5-7 reds low down, other reds DONT DO THIS, they're trying to wind you into a huge loss with this program

had about 30+ tops now, and 25ish of them have been £35; although I'm not saying this might not be due to bad luck. Amazingly the £35-top still loves to lose...

it doesnt do the blue 7's in nudges as much as OAR/vortex whatsoever, this is not in the program

if this is the future of reds... oh dear...

Stopnstep · Post by **Stopnstep** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:39 am

Have to disagree ob. These tend to throw blue 7's in a lot of the time. It is a good way to know state of machine if it continually throws in £15. You can't really compare this to vortex either as blue 7's on that is £8 so it will throw them in a lot more as it is under the £10 block.

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:49 am

Remember all those questions in the Player's Heaven survey about '.. do you believe that seeing red features will mean a better payout?' - SMTM could well be the result of too many respondents answering 'Yes'.

Sadly, I mentioned this at the time the questionairre was open. It's blindingly obvious that they are now 'greying-over' their 'once standard' showing properties. The people at Red 'know' that if a regular player sees a glowing red feature board, he's going to forget his discipline and chuck his money in. As, in the history of Red, this was a sure-fire sign of profit. It's very, very clever of Red to do this - and I bet their profits are going to be on the up very soon!

I'd say the test case for this new software was Sub Zero / Kings Ransom. It wasn't quite as blatant there, but how many times would you get on the board with a 50p / £1 win and have either ARB1 or even a full red feature set, only to peg out on the first gamble, or the one before the first feature exchange? That'd never happen on an older 'model' such as my old favourite, Snailblazer. If that was red, hello mumma! For the other genre of machines, look at CCP. I'll admit I've only had a very brief experience with this one, but from what I've heard, almost every board can be red x-ing' and you still plough £100 or so through to get a top. DNA, X-Rated, the show of red x's meant you were pretty much at most, £20 away from a good top, or series of tops.

Having said all that, there are still good results to be had from these newer Reds, such as SMTM, Vortex and Piggy Bank, but I think we've got to review our old thoughts of 'chase if it's red', as we almost have started to do here.

There are other signs now, as opposed to redding, they are just not as obvious, although I'd say the 'core' people on this board are aware of them already...

I know there's quite a bit of luck involved in this also, and I hate to plunge it down peoples throats when they have lost heavily, but I've not had a bad run on...:

Show Me The Mummy
Vortex
Fun Nudgin' Criminals

...yet!!!

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:12 am

Matt Vinyl wrote:DNA, X-Rated, the show of red x's meant you were pretty much at most, £20 away from a good top, or series of tops.

As if! :x