Anyone from Barcrest I can speak to with regards to the playability of a few of these titles? £500 for £70 screams that the maths/balance of the game is all wrong, especially when the loading screen says compensated.
May as well play singles on roulette, purer game and not as rigged.
£70 Triple 777 games
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"screams" ??JG wrote:Anyone from Barcrest I can speak to with regards to the playability of a few of these titles? £500 for £70 screams that the maths/balance of the game is all wrong, especially when the loading screen says compensated.
May as well play singles on roulette, purer game and not as rigged.
Not playing Top Trumps by any chance ??
This stuff is filth. Was it your wallet JG ?
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trayhop123
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In my defence, I post this based mostly on anecdotal evidence, all be it from reliable sources.
When in arcade coffee boy mode, I am well acquianted with the regulars and anecdotal reports of profiles are easy to come by.
Also Barry Trotter has some tales on this units as do certain other hardcore msn exponents.
I have had my pants down before on this as well, I do admit, but if you don't try stuff out, you have to wait to be told.
Anyway, my gripe, to summarise it more succintly is this.
The games can quite easily....actually f**k this, let's put the bottom line out, which is that most games don't appear to pay anywhere near the stated %
The worst offender by far is the three reel Rainbow Riches game that is billed as random, clone of Golden Charms, billed as compensated. Pure filth. This was my first pants down experience on a Triple 777 and it was a bad one. I had got garbled info regarding a certain glitch and this cost me £100s.....on a £35 machine.
Compensated games should play like compensated games. If you're going to program a fucking compensated game that can take £500 for two well features paying £4, three leprechaun features paying £5, £15 and £5 and a row of symbols for £10, then you may as well make a random game, as that is highly offensive as a profile.
Barcrest never responded to my two emails either which were sent at an appropriate time I hasten to add.
NB this was on v3.2 btw
Also NOTE TO PROGRAMMERS, in my book RANDOM means that each spin is an entirely seperate entity to any other spin and that paytables do not change regarding actual % payout. In other words, when it wants to select a jackpot win, the RNG has to choose the number 3 from the numbers 1-5 generated each spin. When it doesn't want to pay, it has to select 3 from the number 1- 50,000,000 each spin. That is COMPENSATION in play, not randominity.
Then we have rainbow riches POG in which £1000s played through => that 30% of wins paid via reels and 30% by pots with a 4% pot save on £1/play....errr where's the other 28% going? Does it do a £2,800 streak every 10k or so????!???? Yes these can do £210 as can Rainbow Riches, but it can also take £400 cold for the lowest pot with 30% paid out as reel wins. Then another £400 in cold blood for a gold pot no repeat. So it has value I just wasn't lucky enough to get the repeat 50/50 break? No, No, £400 more for silver pot now at £70.
Mummy Money/Neptune's pointless. Average playing experience is put in £250 for a £70 feature. Got loads more £500 end of scale for £70 than £5 for £70 tales and err no repeat.
So let's see, a 90% machine can take £500 cold for £70. That's quite a drift, why am I not getting stories about compensatory mad drifts in the other direction.......like say £300 profits?!??!
Reel Bingo was good to start off with, 'nuff said, not anymore. Top Trumps could play up, but at least you could feel the compensation.
It seems like very random interpretations of random vs compensated for the other games. Card Shark could be billed as random, had this discussion before as I'm sure not every facet of gameplay is perfectly scripted.
Even the Buddylove area seems short on good wins on £70 T777 games, come on Buddy, where's your £300 streak on Mummy Money? If Buddy or key can't get it, then it doesn't exist. I've seen the £5 for £70 on Wild Clover, but also heard you lost a packet on these two weeks back and the gamble SHOULDN'T be compensated as it states RANDOM.
All in all, I like to know what I'm gambling against. I don't want some work experience kid making up words on the screens. Like this is a randomly compensated arsehole of a game, each player will have the chance to put in £3 for a 20p win over and over again until after I have taken a c*ntishly stupid amount of money, I may pay a flat £70 and then go so dead I only pay 20p for every £10 put in.
That my friends, is Barcrest video T777 games in a nutshell. Bar a few bits and bobs, they are total and utter rip offs paying under % by the looks of things.
When in arcade coffee boy mode, I am well acquianted with the regulars and anecdotal reports of profiles are easy to come by.
Also Barry Trotter has some tales on this units as do certain other hardcore msn exponents.
I have had my pants down before on this as well, I do admit, but if you don't try stuff out, you have to wait to be told.
Anyway, my gripe, to summarise it more succintly is this.
The games can quite easily....actually f**k this, let's put the bottom line out, which is that most games don't appear to pay anywhere near the stated %
The worst offender by far is the three reel Rainbow Riches game that is billed as random, clone of Golden Charms, billed as compensated. Pure filth. This was my first pants down experience on a Triple 777 and it was a bad one. I had got garbled info regarding a certain glitch and this cost me £100s.....on a £35 machine.
Compensated games should play like compensated games. If you're going to program a fucking compensated game that can take £500 for two well features paying £4, three leprechaun features paying £5, £15 and £5 and a row of symbols for £10, then you may as well make a random game, as that is highly offensive as a profile.
Barcrest never responded to my two emails either which were sent at an appropriate time I hasten to add.
NB this was on v3.2 btw
Also NOTE TO PROGRAMMERS, in my book RANDOM means that each spin is an entirely seperate entity to any other spin and that paytables do not change regarding actual % payout. In other words, when it wants to select a jackpot win, the RNG has to choose the number 3 from the numbers 1-5 generated each spin. When it doesn't want to pay, it has to select 3 from the number 1- 50,000,000 each spin. That is COMPENSATION in play, not randominity.
Then we have rainbow riches POG in which £1000s played through => that 30% of wins paid via reels and 30% by pots with a 4% pot save on £1/play....errr where's the other 28% going? Does it do a £2,800 streak every 10k or so????!???? Yes these can do £210 as can Rainbow Riches, but it can also take £400 cold for the lowest pot with 30% paid out as reel wins. Then another £400 in cold blood for a gold pot no repeat. So it has value I just wasn't lucky enough to get the repeat 50/50 break? No, No, £400 more for silver pot now at £70.
Mummy Money/Neptune's pointless. Average playing experience is put in £250 for a £70 feature. Got loads more £500 end of scale for £70 than £5 for £70 tales and err no repeat.
So let's see, a 90% machine can take £500 cold for £70. That's quite a drift, why am I not getting stories about compensatory mad drifts in the other direction.......like say £300 profits?!??!
Reel Bingo was good to start off with, 'nuff said, not anymore. Top Trumps could play up, but at least you could feel the compensation.
It seems like very random interpretations of random vs compensated for the other games. Card Shark could be billed as random, had this discussion before as I'm sure not every facet of gameplay is perfectly scripted.
Even the Buddylove area seems short on good wins on £70 T777 games, come on Buddy, where's your £300 streak on Mummy Money? If Buddy or key can't get it, then it doesn't exist. I've seen the £5 for £70 on Wild Clover, but also heard you lost a packet on these two weeks back and the gamble SHOULDN'T be compensated as it states RANDOM.
All in all, I like to know what I'm gambling against. I don't want some work experience kid making up words on the screens. Like this is a randomly compensated arsehole of a game, each player will have the chance to put in £3 for a 20p win over and over again until after I have taken a c*ntishly stupid amount of money, I may pay a flat £70 and then go so dead I only pay 20p for every £10 put in.
That my friends, is Barcrest video T777 games in a nutshell. Bar a few bits and bobs, they are total and utter rip offs paying under % by the looks of things.
JG
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trayhop123
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This seems to be much the same as the horrid units 'Haunted House' style games.
Last and only experiance was £10 in to get feature that built up to £50 (yes should have walked then) but then took it all back. £300 later it finally gives a £70 jp but there's no repeat chance etc. Some form of after play?? No! Stone dead. Every subsequent win lost straight away on 'super play mode'. £30 back in and struggling to get a £5+ win.
Last and only experiance was £10 in to get feature that built up to £50 (yes should have walked then) but then took it all back. £300 later it finally gives a £70 jp but there's no repeat chance etc. Some form of after play?? No! Stone dead. Every subsequent win lost straight away on 'super play mode'. £30 back in and struggling to get a £5+ win.
i can imagine the reply from barcrest will be something along the lines of
Barcrest wrote:Dear Mr George, our games are designed for entertainment, if you feel you might be spending more time and money playing AWP's than you should be then please contact gamcare, furthermore, if you're lack of disapline urges you to play the tripe in our 777 cabinet selection of games, we will continue to release them as it seems they might take back any profit you make from our badly programmed line of sec 34 reel based games.