gambler or pro player?

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:55 pm

I rarely play shite for the sake of it, i only stick to what i know and most days i make a profit, i've never played randoms or roulette, except for the lucky 8 thing which was very profitable, i always take a set amount out with me so i know how i've done on the day, doing very well lately too.

trayhop123 · Post by **trayhop123** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:05 pm

of course we all have the occasional losing day , its the nature of the game, i accept it as part and parcel of the profession ,,,,,, it is as you are right in saying at its core a gamble .

but even a 30, 40 , or even a ton loss day , where nothing you do goes right , should only occur once every two months aprox , and as long as you can write it off and not try to chase it ( which is where your judgement is clouded ) its hardly worth talking about.

as for accounts ,,,, never kept any ,,,,, my m8 ady does though , and writes in his folders all bandit locations just like sir ratty.

each to there own , i spose.

anyhow i truly feel for the 2people so far that have ticked the domestos option .

Drpepper · Post by **Drpepper** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:29 pm

Something i have always argued is when is gambling no longer gambling?

For example is something where you know you have a 99% chance of winning a gamble??

Some people slightly less enlightened than me think that playing a fruit machine is a gamble, even if it was the simplest quickest emptier ever it's still a gamble, even though you have a theoretical 100% chance of profit.

Where do you draw the line?

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:34 pm

How many pro fruit machine players in the UK then? 1000 ? More ?
You must bump into the same "faces" all of the time !

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:49 pm

pokerpete wrote:As a former poker pro I get a slightly different view on this.
One big difference between Fruit machine and poker pros is that you guys are a lot more solitary.
I would be sitting in a room with 100+ players 4 times a week (most of whom were recreational players obviously)
How ever many players I'd speak to, no-one was ever losing. They were either doing well, making a small profit or at very worst, "breaking even"

I remember asking people about records several times in the past and most said they went out with X and came back with Y. That was all they needed to know.

Unless you keep detailed records on every session on every machine, I'm always dubious about peoples claims in terms of profitability. Don't get me wrong, I know some are making a profit, but I've yet to speak to a single player who logs every £ staked against every £ returned. Wouldn't be that hard to do.

Anyone keep records like that? If you're going to use the word "professional" that implies some level of organised, methodical, work-like mind set.

Not really aslong as my bank account increases im not all that bothered.

jpfuk · Post by **jpfuk** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:14 pm

Gary.. what you hitting per week now mate.... no need to reply via this thread......nor in's and out's... just curious really... weve known each other best part of what... 3 + years on line now.....

We never chat any more.... and as i'm almost free of the game now... just wondering what the new generation was earning?

Feel free to no comment.. but i'm sure the older players that have family/kids and backed off from full time punting would be just as interested as me.......

trayhop123 · Post by **trayhop123** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:47 pm

that's tough , because everybody's hours are different , i work every other day or so , because im married , so its give un take ,,,,,,,, a lot of single slotters can devote more time ,,,,,,,,

the last 4 times i have definitely covered a grand ,,,,,,,,, had 324 monday ,,,,,,,,,

but some weeks , i cant make 200 in 3 full days , rare though ,,,,,,,,,

its all about how much time and dedication you can put in .

anfield recons he makes a grand a week regularly , and i dont doubt him .

but to do it every week ,,,,,,,, week in week out , is a bit of a tall order.

you would have to have 3 good separate runs , and recycle them every 3 days , 9.am start ( train stations hotels , breakfast pubs ) till probably 2am if your playing services nightclubs etc.

then its possible to take more than a grand a week regularly , but you would have no other life for socialising , rest etc ,,,,,,,,

im happy with the hours i work , and some weeks i do exceptional , some are crap.

but if anyone tells you they have made a grand plus consistently week in week out for the last 12 months , either has some well hidden next level info , has no other life to speak of , or is simply full of shit .

ive had weeks where i havent made dick ( rare but happens )

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:39 pm

Yeah hard to say really, some weeks comfortably make a grand some weeks struggle to make a few hundred, some weeks i will only bother goin out like 2-3 days and do other stuff for the rest of the week, never on a consintant wage but as i said in my last post aslong as im making money im not too bothered

betchrider · Post by **betchrider** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:13 pm

I vote for the middle one because i have shoved a good few quid in S16 in the past,been known to have a go on roulette,play cards(poker,brag etc),bet on football/odd horse.On the other hand i wont play a fruit"just cos ive found it" i can walk if dead and i wont play mc/s i deem bolllocks like most DONDS and the like!

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:01 am

ob wrote:
(I've heard that you keep a list of the cheapest drinks in every pub sir rath :P)

Lol I might be organised but not to this extent...saying that, it's not a bad idea

Tho I do kinda know which drinks are more expensive in which pubs etc and often choose drinks on that basis, if you can save £10 a day on drinks then it pays for a nice holiday at the end of the year!

Did you really hear this off someone?? If so, who? Pm if you want.

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:06 am

Totally agree with trayhop about the dedication/work you put in having a huge bearing on your profits - I now have like 4 different routes which are easily interchangable and my profits have rocketed since I put a lot more work checking pubs.

Usually I'm out at 8:30-9am if I'm on a route (spoons etc) and about 11am if I'm checking - back at anything between 4pm and midnight depending on what I'm upto in the evening/how far I'm travelling. As far as the magic 1k a week mark, yeah I've hit this pretty much every week in 2009, but I do work solely on my own.

On that subject, whilst I believe that you are pro if you solely live off your fruit based income, I think that many pros are unprofessional in many ways - such as going halves/thirds with other players on a route. Why on earth would you want to do this? Especially if your playing partner doesn't drive. I understand the need for social interaction I guess, but when you work out how much this social interaction costs you over the year, surely it's not worth it?!

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:11 am

I can't remember the last time i saw a playable (fruit) in a spoons???

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:15 am

Extreme Eddie wrote:I can't remember the last time i saw a playable (fruit) in a spoons???

Wow, I've got quite a few

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:24 am

Certainly the 2 Spoons in Leicester centre are rubbish, and have been for a very long time, not come across anything out of town either for a while except the odd deal wheel (back when they were playable)

CrosbyRules · Post by **CrosbyRules** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:02 am

I don't enjoy playing on my own, nasty pubs, social interaction, boredom, banter...I make enough to live, but I enjoy a football bet, enjoy a board on shit machines and enjoy a tip on a horse.