So, you have a 'free win' emptier..

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:01 pm

...and it's current and not really known by anybody. How do you best use it? do you just empty everyone you can find until they get chipped or taken away? or just take 50 and move on? Obviously after taking x amount of free wins, the machine will be buzzed up, so you may as well play the machine 'properly' afterwards as otherwise someone else will just win the legitimate wins anyway.

But wont engineers or owners notice the machine is constantly of it's percentage anyway, whether you take 50 or 200? surely free wins get chipped out very quickly?

So what approach do you take to get the maximum out of it?

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:05 pm

Do you have one then?

I've never had, in my hands, a 'Golden Emptier' so can't personally comment, although I'd suggest 'not' taking the full sum from each machine, as it will just increase the likelyhood of the machine being swapped / chipped. If you can key said machine, make sure you leave at least another JP value in it. More profit in the long run I'd say!

rocket · Post by **rocket** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:07 pm

I'd agree with Matt - why batter a couple of machines in the short term then lose it? The longer you can use it to get regular small sums the better. Why not find as many as you can and take a small amount from each and reduce the risk of them being chipped out / taken away.

Or you could share it with your fruitchat buddies :P

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mattrick · Post by **mattrick** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:08 pm

As they say, little and often is the best way!

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:16 pm

lol, I too would assume, a little goes a long way, but I am just interested to what extremes alarm bells would ring, if quite a few of one type of mahcine in one area were say 5-10% off its percentage target, would this not be as likely to get a chip, than emptying a few a few times? obvioulsy empyting them each individual time could be upto five times as profitable, so you would have to be confident that the emptier would stay about long enough to make the same money from 'small' wins off all of them?

can they review WHAT wins are taken from a machine, thus finding out themSELVES what win is fucking up the %s?

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:08 pm

I would batter it.

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:15 pm

yah, of course, when i say empty, iI dont mean IOU, i mean like you say, leeaving a £5 win in or whatever.

mr cheese · Post by **mr cheese** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:45 pm

Just depends on how long its been out,I was taking about £200 out of Lucky Strikes and leaving the £50 for about 4 weeks.Then everyone was onto them so i iou as many as poss,(if i didnt someone else would have),Keep it as long as ya can.

bigv038 · Post by **bigv038** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:49 am

rape every single one in the country as fast as possible and often as possible :P

Andersen · Post by **Andersen** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:10 am

Do that and no-one would have a chance at winning and everyone who was a career player would be out of a job very quickly...
Little and often is better... They dont usually notice small amount but they do notice large amounts

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:40 am

If its a common machine I personally would be running around the whole of the UK finding locations, ripping 100 from each for as long as it lasts.

Remember free wins wont affect the streak the machine has in it etc or the value, make sure you kill it before leaving.

The manus will not notice a reasonably small target percentage not matching the profit of the machine and whatever, however say the machine shows it hasnt made its percentage but yet its near empty their bound to smell a rat.

OR you could sell it.

I for one would be willing to pay good money for a current empty.

If your willing pm for discussion, i have loads of free time and would be willing to travel the whole of the UK raping em on a 50/50 agreement etc

Worth a try

i am serious though

Enjoy it

r6306 · Post by **r6306** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:03 am

Was at ATEI on Wednesday and started chatting with a guy on the machine remote monitoring stand. He explained that you can now wireless chip all your machines and let their server remote monitor them. He had a live example of some arcade in York running. If the % starts to go AWOL the system can stream a live CCTV feed to their server to record whats happening!

extract from their marketing materials:
"By combining automatic monitoring with Live CCTV persistent problems can be monitored and rectified... machines quickly updated and owners income secured"

In other words they can spot ya, bar ya, learn your trick and alter the machnie asap!

Not sure if this is the same thing but I was back testing some MONP's the other day and decided the first was dead so went to the second. Ran out of coins so went for some change, when I started playing unit 2 again I noticed out the corner of my eye that Unit 1 was going through a reset. No-one had come near the machine and the attendent was chatting to the grannies!

Times are getting hard me thinks

supersavo · Post by **supersavo** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:31 pm

I,m pretty sure that i saw on Dragons Den , 2 guys seeking funding from the Dragons for a similar ( may be the actual one as they got the funding) monitoring system as described above.

rocket · Post by **rocket** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:36 pm

Yep I remember that on dragons Den - looks like its beginning to take off

rollem · Post by **rollem** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:45 pm

That system has been out for about 3 years. Leisure link machines in there own arcades all have RJ45 network cables coming out the back of the machines.