roller coaster 70

Glendale · Post by **Glendale** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:10 am

From what ive read dr paragon the pro punter is not happy with your ideas or card gamble, maybe get rid of some of your testers and employ someone from here who knows what gameplay means!

JG · Post by JG » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:18 am

Ob is about to reply to this by the way.

ob · Post by ob » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:20 am

Dr Paragon wrote:My AWP team assures me that the top is not blocked.
Equally, it does not just "let it through" as soon as it can afford it.
It works the same way as RollerCoaster does. Its all based on chance.
When you are near the end of the trail, regardless of the mood of the machine, there is still a higher chance of landing on the ? than the RollerCoaster square.

That said, there may be some changes in subsequent versions, as they are trialling some minor changes at the moment.

Erm right, Ive played earlier versions and it does skillstop on the final ?, if it lands on this, or just goes to the RC naturally (the latter is rare), yet this new program ALWAYS does ride closed or lose on the last ?, and I've had this maybe 100 times out of 100 ?'s... are you telling me this is unlucky or something?!, oh and of those 100 occasions Ive just randomly landed on that ? rather than the top feature, and btw, it has done something like land on 99 nudges then spin 2 to £20, then spin 1 to ?, CONSTANTLY. So all these CHANCES to get it, yet I have to wait for GO ALL THE WAY.. (which is a bellfruit invincible method, so why are you stealing this in the first place), to get the top! This is stupid as the original rollercoaster had no GATW, or anything of the sort.

You've got to fess up here, I know from playing the games that GATW is the only real way you will get the top on 90%+ off occasions, I dont see why it is necessary to only allow it from a GATW, as the machine can take the excess value BACK that it has given AFTER the £70 top.

Also given the nature of the game, it seems to do GATW as soon as its ready for £70, so how could it ever repeat, I mean it just makes the game completely dull....

Don't give me all this the AWP team says this and that, I've played these games to death and what I have said above is the truth!

Mystery_Plum · Post by **Mystery_Plum** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:00 am

grandslam88 wrote:
Mystery_Plum wrote:Anyone remember that disgusting JPM Snakes and Ladders chip that used to give £4 from the top? It was a £10 all-cash program with a really horrible soft and flat profile, probably for pubs.
Yes that happened to me also. When i discussed this with CMR he didn't believe it could happen.

Also, there was a nasty £10 Roller coaster chip , where it never gave Skill, Roll up , or any features from TYS upwards. It liked giving JP off last ride.

Yes that certainly rings a bell. Did you ever encounter a version which if it gave TYS off Last Ride and you got the jackpot, it would ALWAYS repeat? Might have been an £8 version...

Mr McStreak · Post by **Mr McStreak** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:13 am

I remember the program where the machine went into some bent mode where every feature let you near the top, but without actually landing on anything collectable, giving the impression to casual players that they were close to winning something.

Either that or the feature went; Start.....9..... <CLANG!!>

Dr Paragon · Post by **Dr Paragon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:53 am

ob wrote: Erm right, Ive played earlier versions and it does skillstop on the final ?, if it lands on this, or just goes to the RC naturally (the latter is rare), yet this new program ALWAYS does ride closed or lose on the last ?, and I've had this maybe 100 times out of 100 ?'s... are you telling me this is unlucky or something?!, oh and of those 100 occasions Ive just randomly landed on that ? rather than the top feature, and btw, it has done something like land on 99 nudges then spin 2 to £20, then spin 1 to ?, CONSTANTLY. So all these CHANCES to get it, yet I have to wait for GO ALL THE WAY.. (which is a bellfruit invincible method, so why are you stealing this in the first place), to get the top! This is stupid as the original rollercoaster had no GATW, or anything of the sort.

You've got to fess up here, I know from playing the games that GATW is the only real way you will get the top on 90%+ off occasions, I dont see why it is necessary to only allow it from a GATW, as the machine can take the excess value BACK that it has given AFTER the £70 top.

Also given the nature of the game, it seems to do GATW as soon as its ready for £70, so how could it ever repeat, I mean it just makes the game completely dull....

Don't give me all this the AWP team says this and that, I've played these games to death and what I have said above is the truth!

We have found the fault and it will be fixed on the next version of software. This will be version 3.06 and above. That said, there has been a lot of people suggesting that the top feature pays £70 when you get it, which by way of this fault would happen. How the game has played for you, OB, would be how it would almost have to play in order to only ever pay £70 from the top...

Thank you for the information OB.

Dr Paragon · Post by **Dr Paragon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:40 am

Glendale wrote:From what ive read dr paragon the pro punter is not happy with your ideas or card gamble, maybe get rid of some of your testers and employ someone from here who knows what gameplay means!

Free free to pm, or publicly post, your AWP ideas and Dr Paragon will discuss them with you. Remember, most of the people we employ used to be (and in some cases still are) players. When you are on the inside it makes you realise that its not always easy to control a game exactly how you would like it to be done - there are many external factors to take in to account: how pro-players would play the game, how casuals would play it, what are we trying to achieve with the design and statistical control, what does the game design allow, what can we do legally (since GA2005)...

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:00 pm

Just out of interest, does the top guarantee £70 if you get the GO ALL THE WAY?

Interesting thread by the way, I find it far more interesting discussing the technical nuances of these things...

Particularly interested in how percentages are implemented as working on an 'engine' of my own, which will hopefully return a fair game...

Dr Paragon · Post by **Dr Paragon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:02 pm

Matt Vinyl wrote:Just out of interest, does the top guarantee £70 if you get the GO ALL THE WAY?

Interesting thread by the way, I find it far more interesting discussing the technical nuances of these things... Particularly interested in how percentages are implemented as working on an 'engine' of my own, which will hopefully return a fair game...

Yes it does