Hopper sizes
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:12 pm
Does any one the hopper sizes for the current club Bellfruits with note accepter and JPM club Electra cabinet with note accepter
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:40 pm
pretty sure its 400
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:53 pm
fucking toolers lol
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:06 pm
JPM will hold £400 when full. BFM on the other hand are generally fitted with a larger Azkoyen hopper, or 2 compact hoppers, both of which are designed to hold £600 when fitted with a note acceptor.
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:01 pm
dont machine have to hold atleast 2 jp's ?
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:35 pm
Barcrest clubbers hold jackpot value + £100silent g wrote:dont machine have to hold atleast 2 jp's ?
ie £250 jackpot holds £350
£100 jackpot holds £200 etc
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:51 pm
dont any clubbers have + repeat chance on jp ?
thats a garuteed NOOO
thats a garuteed NOOO
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:59 pm
250 rios did - sometimes repeated to 1k.silent g wrote:dont any clubbers have + repeat chance on jp ?
thats a garuteed NOOO
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:16 am
then it would need a £1100 hopper?
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:26 am
No its not a £1000 jackpot isit
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:54 am
Have never seen or heard of a club machine that repeats. They do not need to pay hold 2 x Jackpots in the hopper, indeed, the machine can technically pay out a jackpot even when there is insufficient money in the hopper to cover the win. In this instance, a call manager will sign will flash on the LEDs.
After all, what do you think a refil key is for ?
A refil key, amongst other things, allows staff & the manager, to refil the hopper, without opening the machine up, thus keeping the takings secure inside the machine
After all, what do you think a refil key is for ?
A refil key, amongst other things, allows staff & the manager, to refil the hopper, without opening the machine up, thus keeping the takings secure inside the machine
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:12 am
guess u learn somethin new everyday huh! 
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:59 am
pickareel wrote:guess u learn somethin new everyday huh!
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:31 am
all club machines run cycles on jackpots off over £400 (ie has to take at least £400, and in most cases MUCH more between jps) , as such it is very unlikely they go empty in the first place.
There is exceptions, ie. slam could pay more than 1 jp, hence the hoppers on those were generally big, with a couple of reserve hoppers. I suppose on a rare occasion a crest like beast could, if you were to get the "cashpot" win (ie. such as £150 spin in/nudge in/ big winspins win) and the jackpot which is feasible, but very unlikely, as the cashpot cycle is huge. There are probably a couple more exceptions, but in the main, club machines stick to paying one jp. (Rio grande had repeat chance on the £250 version if it spun in, I was never lucky enough to get this tho, pity as I saw it repeat to £500/750 a couple of times for grannies!)
There is exceptions, ie. slam could pay more than 1 jp, hence the hoppers on those were generally big, with a couple of reserve hoppers. I suppose on a rare occasion a crest like beast could, if you were to get the "cashpot" win (ie. such as £150 spin in/nudge in/ big winspins win) and the jackpot which is feasible, but very unlikely, as the cashpot cycle is huge. There are probably a couple more exceptions, but in the main, club machines stick to paying one jp. (Rio grande had repeat chance on the £250 version if it spun in, I was never lucky enough to get this tho, pity as I saw it repeat to £500/750 a couple of times for grannies!)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:16 am
£400 between Jackpots ??? I don't think so.
Think about it ~ what about all the little wins of £40 and the like which you get between Jackpots. Add them all up, and the value of the jackpot, and you're well over the £400. In other words the machine would be paying out more than it was taking.
Truth is, they're programmed to pay out over a much longer period (£10,000+) and in terms of a percentage. This percentage payout can be altered by the keyholder within a certain range (72% upwards)
So, if a machine was set to pay out a percentage of say, it would aim to do this over a very long period. Obviously, when it pays out the jackpot, its actual payout percentage may have rised to 81% but the target of 80% remains for the machine to achieve, so it will actually payout short of 80% for a while.
A reasonable club machine will easily take £10,000 in a month, and if it were set up with a target of 80% would probably pay out in the region of £8,000 leaving £2,000 for the owner of the machine.
It is possible, inded quite common, for a machine not to have enough in the hoppres to covre a jackpot for a number of reasons.
1. A new machine to a site has not been filled with enough (tight owner) and jackpot is won shortly after.
2. Players continually ignore smallish wins ovre a long period, driving the actual percentage paid out down below its target. Onlly way for the machine to maintain its target therefor is to pay out a jackpot or 2 (not repeats)
3. When fitted with a note acceptor, there is a built in "lockout" whereby the machine will not accept notes once the amount of coins in the hopper fall to a certain level. This level varies for each manufacturer, but JPM for example is £270. The amount of coins in the hopper, on machines fitted with a note acceptor, generally hover around this "lockout" figure as people tend to keep inserting notes to get coins for use on other machines etc. However, as you can see, it is easy for example to be playing one of these machines with £50 already in the bank, and then to win the jackpot, giving a total win of £300. But if this were a JPM machine, fitted with a note acceptor, it is highly likely that it would have insufficient coins in the hopper to payout this win.
Hope this helps dispell some of the many myths that seem to exist
Think about it ~ what about all the little wins of £40 and the like which you get between Jackpots. Add them all up, and the value of the jackpot, and you're well over the £400. In other words the machine would be paying out more than it was taking.
Truth is, they're programmed to pay out over a much longer period (£10,000+) and in terms of a percentage. This percentage payout can be altered by the keyholder within a certain range (72% upwards)
So, if a machine was set to pay out a percentage of say, it would aim to do this over a very long period. Obviously, when it pays out the jackpot, its actual payout percentage may have rised to 81% but the target of 80% remains for the machine to achieve, so it will actually payout short of 80% for a while.
A reasonable club machine will easily take £10,000 in a month, and if it were set up with a target of 80% would probably pay out in the region of £8,000 leaving £2,000 for the owner of the machine.
It is possible, inded quite common, for a machine not to have enough in the hoppres to covre a jackpot for a number of reasons.
1. A new machine to a site has not been filled with enough (tight owner) and jackpot is won shortly after.
2. Players continually ignore smallish wins ovre a long period, driving the actual percentage paid out down below its target. Onlly way for the machine to maintain its target therefor is to pay out a jackpot or 2 (not repeats)
3. When fitted with a note acceptor, there is a built in "lockout" whereby the machine will not accept notes once the amount of coins in the hopper fall to a certain level. This level varies for each manufacturer, but JPM for example is £270. The amount of coins in the hopper, on machines fitted with a note acceptor, generally hover around this "lockout" figure as people tend to keep inserting notes to get coins for use on other machines etc. However, as you can see, it is easy for example to be playing one of these machines with £50 already in the bank, and then to win the jackpot, giving a total win of £300. But if this were a JPM machine, fitted with a note acceptor, it is highly likely that it would have insufficient coins in the hopper to payout this win.
Hope this helps dispell some of the many myths that seem to exist