Axe to grind?
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:35 pm
Right listen, email to William Hill after more sick hands.
Tournament ID9049583
Me vs r0y70.
Please look at the hand histories and my other hand histories and tell me why over 3000 games and over 300,000 hands (cash + stt) I have such skewed odds when I move in on a hand?
Basically my tracker software is showing that when I move in against an opponent, the outcomes of the cards are not even within many standard deviations of what should be expected for a few compared stats.
I believe that something is afoot and would like to know what it is.
I wish to discuss this at a personal level with someone face to face and not just via continued emails which explain via standard reply that a company of 70 years service would not risk its reputation. Maybe not, but are you aware of how rigged the 'set ups' are?
It's quite easy to produce a deal so that if you sample the flop/turn/river or pocket cards it all looks fair and evenly distributed. Delve deeper and you will see foul work at play.
Basically I would just like clarity. If you're offering a product similar to poker that offers thrills and spills via a series of predetermined deals aimed to level the playing field and provide cinematic finishes, then let me know. That way, I know I'm essentially wasting my time and the outdraws are to be expected.
If I can find a weak opponent who folds a lot, brilliant. There is no way to compensate for this, but an aggressive fish who reraises and gets put all in, or trapped all in with the worst, usually considerably the worst hand and then sucks out time and time again - that's my gripe.
Aggressive poker is fun, but not when it's so rigged that it's skewed for the less savvy aggressor.
Next time your auditors check your RNG which I'm sure is a brilliant RNG, functions perfectly and IS random, let them check all the hands where I'm all in versus any other opponent. You have the hand histories, I'm sure you have the analysis tools like I do, then see what you think of the results.
This is before we worry about any 'Absolute poker' type scandals.
Don't just try this with me, try it with the other reasonable people who complain. Some will just be tin foil hatters, but you will see a pattern of outdraws that is WELL over the standard expected for the samples you pick. They must all be winning players like me, not some tin foil hatted fish.
It'll be worth your while investigating.
Your best bet is not to use the cryptologic network. You should program your own in house William Hill poker software. As you know Cyrptologic poker is not unique to William Hill. In the same way I can play Reel King on the terminals in Coral, BetFred or William Hill etc
I'm not pointing the finger here directly at William Hill. I believe you've shopped around, offerred the customer a product, chosen the Cryptologic network and that is that. It 'works' fine, has a nice front end and to all intents and purposes makes money for your company.
An in house poker program would be far superior. I appreciate it's not easy, there's chance of corruption by the people who program it and for the sums of money involved, integrity is tested to the limit.
However once you see the peculiar outdraws that occur, it'd be worth your while entrusting your top boys to oversee such a project.
At the moment this is Mickey Mouse poker, nice when it's streaking, but when it wants to level the playing field, no chance, you don't stand a chance.
I know the way to reset it is to not play a fortnight and then only log on every month or so and switch off as soon as I suspect I am being cheated.
It's not the only poker network that does this, many others are at it as well.
I do hope you'll act on this and not just put it down to another tin foil hatter who needs a standard email reply...70 years service etc
Once again I beleive that William Hill has acted with integrity but the end product is laced with corruption due to circumstances beyond your control.
Thanks for listening,
G * ********
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Ok, I'm approx £2,500 up on stts over the last 12 months.
I play £5,£10,£20,£30 and £50 heads up primarily.
I target players with poor statistics.
I'm no great player myself, but I do know that one expect of being a winning player is to target the weak.
My gripe is that I feel, as you read, that I am being swindled by cinematic poker.
the poker tracker software I have at the moment is limited. It'll compare certain hands in certain situations but it's not overly versatile.
I guess a few will feel I need a bigger tin foil hat and will shout that it's "VARIANCE YOU FOOL!"
That's your opinion.
My opinion is that the the cards are being awarded to the fish to level the playing field and keep people playing for longer.
Get an aggressive fish and I'm sweating. Sure I snare 'em when I'm ahead usually, not possible all the time, but then they outdraw more than they should.
I wish to examine my stats in far more depth and publish them up in something other than umpteen ASCII characters bundled in a txt file.
Does anyone have any reccommendations for good tracker software that I can import txt ASCII files into and get pie charts? Graphs? Beautiful presentations that show my gripes? I also want deeper analysis tools. For example I can analyze how many Pocket pair vs their lower pocket pair situations go my way, so for example I can see, when I've moved all in pre flop with KK how many times xx (a pocket pair less than KK) outdraws me, I can't say work out how many times with KK vs xx I get outdrawn by a flush.
Please help.
Tournament ID9049583
Me vs r0y70.
Please look at the hand histories and my other hand histories and tell me why over 3000 games and over 300,000 hands (cash + stt) I have such skewed odds when I move in on a hand?
Basically my tracker software is showing that when I move in against an opponent, the outcomes of the cards are not even within many standard deviations of what should be expected for a few compared stats.
I believe that something is afoot and would like to know what it is.
I wish to discuss this at a personal level with someone face to face and not just via continued emails which explain via standard reply that a company of 70 years service would not risk its reputation. Maybe not, but are you aware of how rigged the 'set ups' are?
It's quite easy to produce a deal so that if you sample the flop/turn/river or pocket cards it all looks fair and evenly distributed. Delve deeper and you will see foul work at play.
Basically I would just like clarity. If you're offering a product similar to poker that offers thrills and spills via a series of predetermined deals aimed to level the playing field and provide cinematic finishes, then let me know. That way, I know I'm essentially wasting my time and the outdraws are to be expected.
If I can find a weak opponent who folds a lot, brilliant. There is no way to compensate for this, but an aggressive fish who reraises and gets put all in, or trapped all in with the worst, usually considerably the worst hand and then sucks out time and time again - that's my gripe.
Aggressive poker is fun, but not when it's so rigged that it's skewed for the less savvy aggressor.
Next time your auditors check your RNG which I'm sure is a brilliant RNG, functions perfectly and IS random, let them check all the hands where I'm all in versus any other opponent. You have the hand histories, I'm sure you have the analysis tools like I do, then see what you think of the results.
This is before we worry about any 'Absolute poker' type scandals.
Don't just try this with me, try it with the other reasonable people who complain. Some will just be tin foil hatters, but you will see a pattern of outdraws that is WELL over the standard expected for the samples you pick. They must all be winning players like me, not some tin foil hatted fish.
It'll be worth your while investigating.
Your best bet is not to use the cryptologic network. You should program your own in house William Hill poker software. As you know Cyrptologic poker is not unique to William Hill. In the same way I can play Reel King on the terminals in Coral, BetFred or William Hill etc
I'm not pointing the finger here directly at William Hill. I believe you've shopped around, offerred the customer a product, chosen the Cryptologic network and that is that. It 'works' fine, has a nice front end and to all intents and purposes makes money for your company.
An in house poker program would be far superior. I appreciate it's not easy, there's chance of corruption by the people who program it and for the sums of money involved, integrity is tested to the limit.
However once you see the peculiar outdraws that occur, it'd be worth your while entrusting your top boys to oversee such a project.
At the moment this is Mickey Mouse poker, nice when it's streaking, but when it wants to level the playing field, no chance, you don't stand a chance.
I know the way to reset it is to not play a fortnight and then only log on every month or so and switch off as soon as I suspect I am being cheated.
It's not the only poker network that does this, many others are at it as well.
I do hope you'll act on this and not just put it down to another tin foil hatter who needs a standard email reply...70 years service etc
Once again I beleive that William Hill has acted with integrity but the end product is laced with corruption due to circumstances beyond your control.
Thanks for listening,
G * ********
------------------------------------------------
Ok, I'm approx £2,500 up on stts over the last 12 months.
I play £5,£10,£20,£30 and £50 heads up primarily.
I target players with poor statistics.
I'm no great player myself, but I do know that one expect of being a winning player is to target the weak.
My gripe is that I feel, as you read, that I am being swindled by cinematic poker.
the poker tracker software I have at the moment is limited. It'll compare certain hands in certain situations but it's not overly versatile.
I guess a few will feel I need a bigger tin foil hat and will shout that it's "VARIANCE YOU FOOL!"
That's your opinion.
My opinion is that the the cards are being awarded to the fish to level the playing field and keep people playing for longer.
Get an aggressive fish and I'm sweating. Sure I snare 'em when I'm ahead usually, not possible all the time, but then they outdraw more than they should.
I wish to examine my stats in far more depth and publish them up in something other than umpteen ASCII characters bundled in a txt file.
Does anyone have any reccommendations for good tracker software that I can import txt ASCII files into and get pie charts? Graphs? Beautiful presentations that show my gripes? I also want deeper analysis tools. For example I can analyze how many Pocket pair vs their lower pocket pair situations go my way, so for example I can see, when I've moved all in pre flop with KK how many times xx (a pocket pair less than KK) outdraws me, I can't say work out how many times with KK vs xx I get outdrawn by a flush.
Please help.