Vortex..... AHHHHHHHH!!!

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:36 pm

Yup - I think recently, I'd be playing almost nothing if I only went for them when redding.

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:12 pm

I have got some good reds where im 99% sure no one else hits them.

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:49 pm

That's all well and good, but you must find them 'un-red' quite a bit.

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:12 pm

Matt Vinyl wrote:That's all well and good, but you must find them 'un-red' quite a bit.

You would be surprised.

Got a good pulsation that i try about once a week and its red like 80% of the time.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:17 pm

Sounds good

Found the one remaining pulsation here red today and had £20 tops followed soon after by a £45 top. In between i did two of the worst number runners you will ever likely see.....tried to set up the drop for 99 nudges, but succeeded in bringing down 1 both times for 1 nudge

:x

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:46 pm

Mattb wrote:Sounds good

Found the one remaining pulsation here red today and had £20 tops followed soon after by a £45 top. In between i did two of the worst number runners you will ever likely see.....tried to set up the drop for 99 nudges, but succeeded in bringing down 1 both times for 1 nudge :x

Do you play these on mega spins? should be playing them on normal game.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:06 pm

Yep i play them on mega only. Unless i'm missing something glaringly obvious i see absolutely no point in playing them on normal spins. No extra %, takes longer etc...

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:22 pm

Mattb wrote:Yep i play them on mega only. Unless i'm missing something glaringly obvious i see absolutely no point in playing them on normal spins. No extra %, takes longer etc...

Hardly any £10 tops...less gambles killing to the top..and SS's

Dynamike · Post by **Dynamike** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:32 pm

jeffvickers wrote:I'd rather play something I was 99pc sure I was going to make a profit on.

This is largely the same mentality as I have lately. I just can't be bothered 'testing' machines and getting involved in mammoth recycling sessions; too much of a gamble at times and too time consuming. It's fine if you're in a good location but finding a Red redding around here is like finding a needle in a haystack. I've recently had a surge in Extremes popping up, cleared £150 on 4 brief excursions this week, playing nothing else but the odd Crest. That'll do me fine, none of this 50p a spin £15 for board stuff, I just can't be bothered anymore, I work too hard to see a score disappear in seconds.

ob · Post by ob » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:18 am

imo reds that are full (given area aint stone etc. common sense stuff) but not red (or giving number runner etc.), represent the following gamble

£20+ down 15%

£0-20 down 20%

£0-20 up 35%

£20+ up 30%

Since the expected value of this gamble is positive (i.e. percentages on wins are higher than losses), its worth going for, in the long term you will profit on such gambles, thats how casinos make money after all

Tbh its rather a sad state of affairs that we have to rely on luck in many cases!

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:58 am

ob wrote:imo reds that are full (given area aint stone etc. common sense stuff) but not red (or giving number runner etc.), represent the following gamble

£20+ down 15%

£0-20 down 20%

£0-20 up 35%

£20+ up 30%

Since the expected value of this gamble is positive (i.e. percentages on wins are higher than losses), its worth going for, in the long term you will profit on such gambles, thats how casinos make money after all

Tbh its rather a sad state of affairs that we have to rely on luck in many cases!

Fair play but i wouldn't want to waste like half hour playing something that i could lose on when theres a pub down the road i could by trying. I would propably have more fun forcing out a bucky bunny than a red just because its full.

Stopnstep · Post by **Stopnstep** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:33 am

GaryChandler wrote:
Mattb wrote:Yep i play them on mega only. Unless i'm missing something glaringly obvious i see absolutely no point in playing them on normal spins. No extra %, takes longer etc...
Hardly any £10 tops...less gambles killing to the top..and SS's

You've just been lucky mate, got to be played on mega at it speeds the whole process up. Playing on normal spin doesn't affect the gambles to the top or the amount of £10 tops, they are the same regardless.

Back to the other topic, ob has many good points, sometimes you have to take the risk and push it through regardless (providing it isn't completely dead). If I didn't do this then I too, would hardly play any reds as to find one redding from the off is rare as rocking horse shit nowdays. It depends on the previous play, i know that most of my area is not covered but someone only has to get a flukey JP or a couple of £10-£15 wins and that sets the machine right back.

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:15 pm

Thats what sets Reds apart. Its almost impossible to fluke a JP. So unless a player has been on it within the last few days theyre always good to go.
Was told a couple of weeks ago that a fella had put close to £300 into a Vortex during a friday evening. Not 1 JP. Spoke to him a week later and he said the few times he gambled from SS to MS it killed him so he'd collect SS! He saw me get MS via filling Vortex and he said I'm 1 lucky Fella, Nobody has dropped the JP on it yet.
Most people just aren't prepared to lose 4+ gambles to break through to the top so start collecting.

anfield road · Post by **anfield road** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:38 pm

FLY AWAY, stuck in the house with a tooth abscess thats painful its off to the dentist I go in 1 hour. Try and get all the pain they can give me

I hate dentists

ob · Post by ob » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:26 am

gambogaz1 wrote:Thats what sets Reds apart. Its almost impossible to fluke a JP. So unless a player has been on it within the last few days theyre always good to go.
Was told a couple of weeks ago that a fella had put close to £300 into a Vortex during a friday evening. Not 1 JP. Spoke to him a week later and he said the few times he gambled from SS to MS it killed him so he'd collect SS! He saw me get MS via filling Vortex and he said I'm 1 lucky Fella, Nobody has dropped the JP on it yet.
Most people just aren't prepared to lose 4+ gambles to break through to the top so start collecting.

I disagree here, by collecting super streaks and red features anyone can kill a red from "red" making it a fair way off ready. You don't have to get a top/jp to kill a red off you know. Although I do agree that most munters won't pump them for the top, there is a few that do.

On the topic of pulsation £35, mega spins 50p no question about it, this mega spin 99 nudges malarky is what actually makes the 35 one quite good as it's easy to get the £10 on nudges where you then only have to win 1 gamble to get the top, if its properly red it won't overly lose it either, you'd be a fool to play a different stake.

I can garentee you gary that playing a full red is a lot better proposition than playing out a bucks bunny - these are poor machines imo, which often cost alot more than £35 to come out, and rarely actually repeat, leaving you with a poor gamble equating to something like

60% £50+ for £35
20% £1-50 for £35
15% £50+ for £70/105
5% £1-50 for £70/105

this is a mugs gamble, enough said - and bear in mind I have probably played out more of them than you as a reader of this post, so I am in a better position to say