SMTM Easy Top!!!

Stopnstep · Post by **Stopnstep** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:25 am

Had this a couple of times on SMTM with it giving a 1 or 12 for the end. I have come round to your way of thinking now MrRed, will take the first £35 unless on a good number rather than pushing all out for the end.

Back to the number thing, had a Vortex give me a change number from a bonus 6 to a 12 the other day on SS

Dunhamzzz · Post by **Dunhamzzz** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:31 pm

Put £3 in a 92% invincible lastnite, got Number runner, went in for £105! Emptied it! damn chuffed, loving my new area

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:39 pm

The core numbers for reds have always been 3 and 10......especially in the old fruits u sir days!

4 & Jack, surely...

Agree that it is defintely the 3's and 10's on most though. That 'white crystal' bonus get's hit the most...

I'd say that the deadliest numbers on these newer machines are 9's and 4's, which 99% of the time will pickle you. Having said that, I think I have got to the top on either a SMTM / OAR / V on pretty much every number. Strangely, that 6 if offered at one spot from the top is often a win!

Stopnstep · Post by **Stopnstep** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:12 am

Doesn't this machine make you pull your hair out at times. Had one yesterday full from off and showing after £15 still took over an hour to finally get a £70 with numerous recycled JP's along the way to finish £7 up! :x

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:30 am

I'm becoming more & more a believer of taking a half decent win mid force to unlock them.
This only applys to :
Vortex
Lucky Devil
Show me the mummy
Invincible

I've had it happen on all 4. take yesterday for instance, playing Vortex
in a little local type pub thats 90% ready when I go to it. After ploughing around £20 in to it the most I'd had from nudges was £4 and I'd reached £6 once. always blue boards and no red feature offered so decided I was in for a loss ans see what I could get back. Got £4 on nudges and about 3 reds lit. with the aid of an extra life and a no/lose managed to reach SS on a 7, Looking so dead I took it and it gave £30

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Now I was happy as I was in profit. play for another feature and got the dreaded ABB1 so collected £4. Next board there was about 4 red features and it offered cash climb so took it & got £7. Next board ARB1 and filled up Vortex for a £35 top. Died after so walked about £35 - £40 profit which Is the average profit I make on this in there when I usually just force out the top. Never had the £105 off it in there yet.

ob · Post by ob » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:36 pm

gambogaz1 wrote:I'm becoming more & more a believer of taking a half decent win mid force to unlock them.
This only applys to :
Vortex
Lucky Devil
Show me the mummy
Invincible

I've had it happen on all 4. take yesterday for instance, playing Vortex
in a little local type pub thats 90% ready when I go to it. After ploughing around £20 in to it the most I'd had from nudges was £4 and I'd reached £6 once. always blue boards and no red feature offered so decided I was in for a loss ans see what I could get back. Got £4 on nudges and about 3 reds lit. with the aid of an extra life and a no/lose managed to reach SS on a 7, Looking so dead I took it and it gave £30 .
Now I was happy as I was in profit. play for another feature and got the dreaded ABB1 so collected £4. Next board there was about 4 red features and it offered cash climb so took it & got £7. Next board ARB1 and filled up Vortex for a £35 top. Died after so walked about £35 - £40 profit which Is the average profit I make on this in there when I usually just force out the top. Never had the £105 off it in there yet.

It obviously was close to/there but not showing it, at the point you started banking, there is no need to take wins to unlock red gamings, all taking wins can do is slow them down. Although some people have insisted to me they have them red after taking £10's alot - i.e. that this £10 has "triggered" a roll, I don't really go in for this theory. No doubt it would have gone red whether you took the £10 or not, and if its red would you really take £10 in the first place?

On the topic of taking the £35, why would you do this on a good number, chances are it will win anyway (ok SMTM does lose on 3/10 quite a bit), and it may well give £70 (yes its often £35 I know, but had a few £70's)

This is comparable to if you take £35, it costs another £20 and gives £35 again, that makes you £20 WORSE OFF!!!! (yes ok, perhaps this extra £20 MAY warrant it going for £70 next time/carrying on after, but I'd say this is the exception not the rule)

I.e Getting the maximum streak value straight away is always favorable to sacrificing more to the percentage of the machine by having to play on for more tops. - How can this be debatable, we all know machines are percentage based.

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:24 pm

You seem to have missed the point here. What i'm trying to get at is that if the machine is there and you bottle it by taking a half decent win then it opens up. thats the whole point, if you go for it and it isn't there your in for a big loss, if you bottle it and it was there you don't lose out, it still gives it you.
A redding Red I'd never bottle but what i'm talking about is a red thats pissing about at £5 - £10 with no 50% + red boards after you've lost a couple of gambles.

The whole point is your reply was "It obviously was close to/there but not showing it" But I still got £70 odd out of it. What if it wasn't showing because it wasn't there ? How much could it of cost me ?

Nixxy · Post by **Nixxy** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:39 pm

gambogaz1 wrote:You seem to have missed the point here. What i'm trying to get at is that if the machine is there and you bottle it by taking a half decent win then it opens up.

I understand what you're saying, but if the machine is 'there' already, why jeopardise your chances of a big top? If the definition of 'there' isn't 'on-the-brink-of-a-top-feature', then what is it?

Most machines are more than capable of doing a maximum top - so having paid to see it, I'd wanna see it as quickly as possible rather than pay for extra credits to win what it was ready to award a few quid earlier. Especially with Reds, if the top goes flat you'll know within a few quid whether there're any more jackpots on offer. Why waste time!

ob · Post by ob » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:15 am

you raise a valid point gambogaz1, if it were close to ready and you take a mid size win, you haven't really fucked yourself too much, as if it were on the brink it would show the next couple of boards anyhow... I'm guessing this is the point you're making

in reply I would say on reds you can't really know how far they are off ready, it's anyone's guess unless you've seen the past £100 of play, in such case I would say that the best tactic would just be to plough on for the top regardless if near full and hope... isn't that how most players are doing red's - I'd be suprised if this weren't the case. I just can't imagine wanting to take mid size wins when £20ish in, when reds could be just around the corner.

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:11 am

Yes I'm not saying it's the way to always play them. I've got quite a lot of reds on my runs and the majority of the time it's all out force. It's just I've took on a few reds recently that haven't really looked too good and its cost £70 for £70 or £90 for £105, this will be after having a £7 or £10 nudge win but no red boards, now the couple of times I've decided not to carry on forcing & i'ts usually when I've been offered a toggle or hot rocks or red pick a win it's suddenly there.

Stopnstep · Post by **Stopnstep** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:05 am

See what you are saying gaz, but the times you have collected a win and it has looked good from then on it would of been ready all of the time but just hasn't showed like ob said. We have all had it when we have had a few ARB1,2,3 only then for it not to show for the next xx amount of features, it is still there but just not showing.

If, like you said, you have £30 from SS then that is always a sign it is there because otherwise it will be £10 - £15 max.

ob · Post by ob » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:37 am

gambogaz1 wrote: It's just I've took on a few reds recently that haven't really looked too good and its cost £70 for £70 or £90 for £105, this will be after .

Thats hardly a nightmare tbh is it; you haven't lost anything, which you do rather frequently on reds, it's not all profit!

The fact they have shown after you've banked a bit out as stopnstep says is pure coincidence, I don't really think you should ever try banking them, but it's upto you if you want to carry on down that track.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:21 am

Yeah i agree with ob. If they are there then don't bank them, play on as normal. I have had them ready up from seemingly dead though when i've been collecting things, that's the only time i collect then force.

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:04 pm

I was playing a Holey Moley the other day, but I only had £30 on me and was only over the local before the footy kicked off. First board was pretty much all green, so I got up to the fiver, and as I was only on my first £1 of the fiver I'd put in, I thought I'd take it, as we all know, that can be the block, and then I'd have probably not got another board.

Played through to the second to last credit and got another board which had green boxes there - I thought the slip would come, but no, a nice slow SnS for £25.

Popped an additional tenner after this, as I knew the blocks must have been passed. £7 of that gone, top for £70!

As I didn't have any knowledge as to the state of the machine before I played it, it may well have gone anyway, but it certainly felt like collecting that fiver unlocked it!

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The worst scenario to have on a Red I guess, would be to be quite a lot into it, but running short on funds. The gamble is do you try and wind it up by collecting those tenners / red features. Or do you press on with your last twenty and go for the potential top of £70 / £105 or lose the lot...

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:31 pm

If you were a proper gambler you wouldn't run out!

I never carry less than £250 odd on me just in case. If it does decide to take the piss and cost £150+, its always either gone £105 with afters, or say £35/£70/£70, £75/£85 etc.