Screwed Over 3 times in a week!!

Dunhamzzz · Post by **Dunhamzzz** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:33 pm

I find on JPGems that a 25 top is very common. If offerd red top feature next board or so I will defo have it for the £25. I cant actually recall back-to-back tops on this m/c.
The m/c then likes to give you a third 25 if it wants to through giving you an obvious setup for red/green boxes for a stop and step. Which is normally slow on red and medium on gree, both hittable.

then hope for some hot rocks (which even green can be £25) and toggle afters

ob · Post by ob » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:14 pm

higher risk --> higher reward...

All I'm interested is the expected value of the gain from the machine ( which can include losses too in the case of reds - and is worked out over playing thousands of them ), which imo is higher for reds than extreme's, whether the area is done or not! If this is true - reds are better - end of!

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:13 pm

Yes, agree with reds. Money takers, but also money makers. Nowadays they are so bloody common you get experience points playing them constantly, and risk of damage is reduced i find. Ok they can be temperamental with blocks and tops, but i'd say 9/10 times i go for a punt on a red it comes back positive.

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:06 pm

Agreed with MrRed and the other chaps here... Harry, are you gonna respond?

I have good results most of the time too, although as we all have - been sucked in a few times and ended up quite down. Although, when that happens, the odds usually even out and I'll rake a lot of it back on another Red.

As said before, the key to these is being able to read them within your first £5. If nothing happens, or the signs are not there - run!

Looking forward to my first play of a Cash Point this weekend - I spied one in a local on the way home the other night (I was too busy lugging furniture to be able to pop in and play!

)...

harry13.50 · Post by **harry13.50** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:47 am

Yeah i understand you guys can make money from Reds from time to time.I also can see why they are everywhere - because the make the most money in the cash box.

However i still see MOST of them as risky machines to play.Am just not the biggest fan.Big tops are rare and for me i would rather play other machines around me.

Some like marmite, some dont.

MrRed · Post by **MrRed** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:31 pm

Nice fair reply harry

They can be risky to play
But if you play them and get to know them
When to walk when to push etc etc they are quite easy to work out
Although you can still get done

If you really cannot afford to lose say £40-£50 on one m/c then yes they are risky
If i lose, i know i stand a very good chance of winning it back and more on top from other reds
If not then thats the way it goes

harry13.50 · Post by **harry13.50** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:50 pm

MrRed wrote:Nice fair reply harry

They can be risky to play
But if you play them and get to know them
When to walk when to push etc etc they are quite easy to work out
Although you can still get done

If you really cannot afford to lose say £40-£50 on one m/c then yes they are risky
If i lose, i know i stand a very good chance of winning it back and more on top from other reds
If not then thats the way it goes

Fair play.I'd probably beat myself up if i lost £40-£50 on a machine.

Just out of interest Mr Red, what Red machines do you consider to be the most playable at the moment ( streak potential,big tops ect ) ??

toothless11 · Post by **toothless11** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:08 am

i know im not mr red but, SA and invincible always offer big tops but are the worst for blocks and sucking. LABs, DNA, are all good favourites of mine. All reds out atm, i have big streaks on. OAR, JGems etc are all good m/cs for streaks, ESP, 50p a play.

Tom

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:14 am

My current sumation of Reds:

X-Rated / Life's a Beach / DNA / Grub a Dub Dub

I 'personally' find these the best variety of Reds. They also require the most thought and knowledge to get the best out of them. I won't go into specifics about playing techniques and methods (I've discussed them elsewhere) - but my main tip is, don't always nudge in the highest win possible!

Tip of the day: 4+ shots is the best sign!

On A Roll / Jackpot Gems / Top Giza / Rocket Money

The older of this variety (TG / RM) are very easy to read (red features / speed of reels spins). Again, I'd 'personally' force these out if showing and offering good red features (there's plenty of threads detailing which red features are 'good'). The newer ones (OAR / JG) are much better if available on 50p / £25. On this play mode, I've always clawed out a good £40+ profit from forcing for the top. Again, look for the signs!

Tip of the day: If you want a quick return, MS & 50p is the only way to play!

Invincible / Stack Attack

These are more difficult to read and can rob from you for quite a while. Red feature 'boards' are more infrequent on these than other Reds and are not always indicative of the state of play. As again mentioned elsewhere, it might be worth while taking a Super Streak or Red feature if offered within the first £5 or so of play, else you may find yourself £60+ in before a MS will be offered; then you are hoping for the £75 and you'll only be a few quid up that you could've snared within that first fiver... ...And saved yourself the heart attack from putting that much in in the first place.

Tip of the day: Never bother with Extra Life from the slow down bonus! (Applies to quite a lot of Reds really!)

Legal Tender / Pulsation

These can be 'gits'! I've had a £110 top off of an LT before for £6 in, but that was a very rare occurence! The only way to guarantee a JP value top is to get all the features red. Even if all-bar-one of the top notes are red, you may still only get a tenner off the top.

Tip of the day: If you get consistent Red boards, go for the top, if not, but are offered red features, take 'em and build up a respectable bank. If you keep getting the green boards, run----->!

All a bit general, I know, but hope it helps!

harry13.50 · Post by **harry13.50** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:53 pm

Nice summary there Matt.

Most of those Reds ive never seen (bear in mind i live in quite a remote part of the country so new machines are at a premium)

One pub just along from me has had Legal tender for over a year and a half( since summer 2005 anyways) and its on 70%.uuugh.

My local Spoons has Pulsation,as its only on 74% ( standard spoons percentage) i never bother.

Ive just had a Crazy Cobra installed in a pub i frequent, again on 70%.

Had a Sub Zero in my local Ladbrokes untill the other day( before that they had Stack attack very briefly), again only really played it once or twice.

This is probably why i dont rate Reds as much as some other guys here do, simply because the selection is piss poor and the local suppliers round here have the bog standard 70% min payouts.

Do you blame me.?

Oh and ps, i own Jewel Strike as well,set to 78% its still WAY behind percentage.

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:57 pm

No probs!

Agreed! Pulsation and Sub Zero (Along with Kings Ransom) are IMHO the worst Reds of the current crop. And, as you say, having a crap supplier and only a few to try, I don't blame you for not liking 'em!

MrRed · Post by **MrRed** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:34 pm

Agree with all of what Matt said and saved me from typing it

I also find Bling Bling/Freak Streak poor
Yes i know some people like it, and it rolls ok but its not for me
Never do well on it

Still love LAB
Played correctly its great for profit (most of the time)
Got stung for a £40 loss the other day
£10 offered straight away and half red
£15 gamble lost 9 times

Another point is on LAB/DNA and these fruit steps type
You must learn the reels

Never gambled to top from lower than £7 ever
Its important to be stepping in the £10 win at least

Had the easiest top ever on LAB last night
Mystery win boosted me to swap out to 6 nudges, bonus boosted me again to 10 nudges and gambled to top went for £50

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:03 am

No one has mentioned cobra cabana above, got this in my local, played twice and made £20 and lost £20...... any opinions??? good red? bad red?

MATT99 · Post by **MATT99** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:26 am

cobra cabana is the worst reds. block on tenner for ages then 15 blocker as well

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:09 am

Hmm. yep, I should have added another two subsets to my post:

Cobra Cabana / Crazy Cobra

Not played one of these for a while, but from what I recall I seem to remember them offering you the staggered streak more often than a full £75 from one top. Thus, I used to collect the £25 without gambling the final chance to the top (unless I was in a no lose situation!)
Also, from what I recall, these were 'true' showers (that's show-ers, not the thing you do every morning!

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Tip of the day: Watch the eyes of the snake when you first get on the board!

Bling Bling / Freak Streak

The only real sign on these is if you are getting a lot of red cash / features from normal feature start. Mega / Super starts are not, IMO signs that the thing is ready to pay. On FS, the best method would be, try and get offered 'plus cash' or whatever it is (on the feature start gamble) and then spin it again, it often gives skill stop, which you can then stop on 'Double Cash'. Then spin again, and try and get on the feature. It usually leaves you with only 3 or 4 values on each side, which are often all red. Then force out the MB from here.

Tip of the day: Collect those red £4.50s etc if you just want to break even!