i went chippy tonight , and ordered the mrs and me a fish-cake , battered sausage , chips , curry sauce , and ,,,,,,, for a later on midnight snack two pucka pies , ,,,, i thought nothing of it , it was £7.80.
anyhow had to wait 5mins or so for the fishcake , so the next customer ( obviously a regular by his patter/chatter with chippy owner ) ordered just chips , the owner replied "no fish tonight jack ?" to which the reply was " no can only afford it once a week"
and it got me thinking , just because we earn good money , are we frivolous with it ,?
general joe has got fuck all in this day and age, there are people working all hours , to come out with 200 quid a week , that gets eaten up by bills and leaves em with fuck all to spend on themselves , ,,,,, honestly i know people that are on the dole that dont want to work because the benefits they would lose would make them worse off..
the situation is far worse ,in your average city centre , think 15 years ago , there were a lot less homeless on the streets than there are now, not all junkie lowlifes.
we have to see ourselves as very fortunate indeed , we dont save all year for the latest playstation , we just buy it , ,,,,,, do we limit ourselves to one chinese meal a month as part of a carefully planned monthly budget? ,,,,, fuck no , we have 5 a week if we want ,
yet on the flipside we moan if we have a 50loss day , ,,,,, but switch on our large screen tv's in our plush abodes , and see a crisis on the news about 200people dead in italy or the starving thousands in africa ,,,,,,,,, and it takes this reality check to knock us out of our namby pamby ( ooh ive lost 50 quid) sorry for ourselves mood .
my question to the other pro's on this site ,,,,,,,,, is have we been so fortunate that we are de- sensitised to the true value of money ????? ,,,,,,,, just because we can afford the latest gadget , does it meen we should buy it now on a whim ?? live for today ( afterall we've earned it) or should we be living like everyone else , modestly , budget , no treats etc , and put away our earnings as a pension , or do more selfless acts with it by helping those friends and family members less fortunate ??? there are no right or wrong answers , i just want to hear others views .
on whether or not ( by being above the system) do we truly know and respect the true value of money ???????
i took a day off last week to go skegness with my wife , my sister and her kids , i ended up paying for everything (my treat) ,,,,, to watch the kids faces light up on the fair , going on rides eating candyfloss etc , never played a fruit , but spent £150 quid
it made me feel better than any slotting day this year.
my mother once said to me , that the trouble with your game is ,,,,,, your riding on a lifestyle of false highs and lows , one minute your pissed off that you lose 20 on a machine , the next your happy because you make 20, that cant be good for a persons emotional state and will always give you a false jaded approach to money . that a man with a fixed income wont get .
money thoughts please gents.
lee
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Lee, never a truer post. I have exactly the same thoughts.
Your situation in Skeg is very similar to mine recently, I took my girlfriend and her nephew down to Hastings one sunday and didn't play a single fruit, we played crazy golf, went on the grabbers (won about 15 toys lol!) and pushers, had fish & chips, all the stuff you'd do on a great day out at the seaside, and we had a totally great time (me included), beat any day out slotting and these are times that I'm grateful I have disposable income to be able to do these things.
As far as respect for money goes, I do have more than most pros (although some players seem to love fabricating stories about my tightness, not true at all and I think it's because I don't have their carefree attitude), and I won't waste money for the sake of it. But if I want something then I'm gonna buy it, I've got a nice car, nice flat, xbox360, wii, a nice tv etc so I definitely do spend money on myself but I won't do it for the sake of it.
I think it's because I've seen so many good people struggle with money and also my parents taught me the value of money as well from a young age. My gf is a nurse and doesn't have that much spare at the end of the month, but she is bloody brilliant at her job and gets so much job satisfaction from it, so she is good at keeping my feet on the ground in such profitable times.
I like to take her out quite a lot and I'll pay for most of the day, and in fact this is what we are doing this weekend, I've had a good week and I want us to have a great weekend out doing stuff.
I go as far as feeling sorry for people without money but I won't give to beggars etc...I found £15 on the floor in a services the other day and I actually looked for someone to hand it into b/c I don't want to make money out of other's misfortune (totally different to making money on fruits btw and if someone wants I will explain more but it will be an essay) but I couldn't find anyone of any authority so I decided to spend it on my gf and her family instead. Plus my 30th birthday cards got stolen a couple of weeks ago at my party in a bar and I think they could have had money/vouchers in so I guess it's to some degree quits.
Your situation in Skeg is very similar to mine recently, I took my girlfriend and her nephew down to Hastings one sunday and didn't play a single fruit, we played crazy golf, went on the grabbers (won about 15 toys lol!) and pushers, had fish & chips, all the stuff you'd do on a great day out at the seaside, and we had a totally great time (me included), beat any day out slotting and these are times that I'm grateful I have disposable income to be able to do these things.
As far as respect for money goes, I do have more than most pros (although some players seem to love fabricating stories about my tightness, not true at all and I think it's because I don't have their carefree attitude), and I won't waste money for the sake of it. But if I want something then I'm gonna buy it, I've got a nice car, nice flat, xbox360, wii, a nice tv etc so I definitely do spend money on myself but I won't do it for the sake of it.
I think it's because I've seen so many good people struggle with money and also my parents taught me the value of money as well from a young age. My gf is a nurse and doesn't have that much spare at the end of the month, but she is bloody brilliant at her job and gets so much job satisfaction from it, so she is good at keeping my feet on the ground in such profitable times.
I like to take her out quite a lot and I'll pay for most of the day, and in fact this is what we are doing this weekend, I've had a good week and I want us to have a great weekend out doing stuff.
I go as far as feeling sorry for people without money but I won't give to beggars etc...I found £15 on the floor in a services the other day and I actually looked for someone to hand it into b/c I don't want to make money out of other's misfortune (totally different to making money on fruits btw and if someone wants I will explain more but it will be an essay) but I couldn't find anyone of any authority so I decided to spend it on my gf and her family instead. Plus my 30th birthday cards got stolen a couple of weeks ago at my party in a bar and I think they could have had money/vouchers in so I guess it's to some degree quits.
Bored of the grind.
This is exactly what is wrong with the UK. I really feel sorry for people like you Luke. I'm sure Sir R's girlfriend has a more fulfilling life that any gambler. I sit in an office all day long getting a good salary. There is zero job satisfaction. My boss never says thanks and no matter how hard I work he won't give me a pay rise. I used to work in a restaurant for a very low wage, but I carried on working there because seeing people have a good day/night out really made me fell good and they would return again and again.HorseRacingKing wrote:Lifes too short to care about others less fortunate, i only care for friends and family other people who are broke its their fault no sincerity coming from my way.
As for money it may as well have Monopoly written on it. My turnover in gambling must run into tens of millions.
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I love it, i love the lifestyle, i love the money, the way i can just go out like a few days a week and make more than enough money to do what i want, go out on the weekend spend a 1'er and not even worry about it, see nice clothes can just buy them! i do save up money aswell, but might aswell enjoy life, there's no good having loads of money but not enjoying it!
I don't think anybody on here requires an essay with regards to not feeling guilty about fruit machine wins, in all fairness its pretty obvious and can be said in a nutshell.
I certainly hope all you 'pro' players have invested well, put money away, started a pension scheme and maybe even paid NI contributions. Not that the latter will matter because in 30-40 years time there probably won't be a state pension. Apparantly you are approximately 3 months away from from being homeless these days. Well, I've been out of work for over a year and I haven't lost my home, I still have all my mod cons, I buy my kids new things regularly but my savings won't last forever unfortunately. (And I very rarely play m/c's these days either)
The fact is, if you've earned your money (preferably by honest means) you have every right to spend it however you want. If you want to be frivilous, wasteful and flash then so be it. What does make me laugh is when the flashest member on here, the guy who likes to show off what he has bought and what is other half has bought him in return and more to the point - the person who has to put a numeric value and a designer label on everthing tries to justify his lifestyle and boasting because someone couldn't afford a fish supper.
Not having a dig btw Lee, you seem to have good honest opinions about most things but your OP made me chuckle. Flame me if needs be - I meant no disrespect it was just an observation.
I certainly hope all you 'pro' players have invested well, put money away, started a pension scheme and maybe even paid NI contributions. Not that the latter will matter because in 30-40 years time there probably won't be a state pension. Apparantly you are approximately 3 months away from from being homeless these days. Well, I've been out of work for over a year and I haven't lost my home, I still have all my mod cons, I buy my kids new things regularly but my savings won't last forever unfortunately. (And I very rarely play m/c's these days either)
The fact is, if you've earned your money (preferably by honest means) you have every right to spend it however you want. If you want to be frivilous, wasteful and flash then so be it. What does make me laugh is when the flashest member on here, the guy who likes to show off what he has bought and what is other half has bought him in return and more to the point - the person who has to put a numeric value and a designer label on everthing tries to justify his lifestyle and boasting because someone couldn't afford a fish supper.
Not having a dig btw Lee, you seem to have good honest opinions about most things but your OP made me chuckle. Flame me if needs be - I meant no disrespect it was just an observation.
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me and my mate was talking about this last night ... we were in a shop and a kid asked her mummy for a choc bar... she searched her purse and said i have 33p left till tuesday and asked the shop keeper what her kid could get for that.
20 mins prior to this we were saying how shit its been today being only £90 up each.
we are lucky, extremely in my opinion enjoy it when it lasts and save as much as poss, because when its over its over. and this site will become ... what we used to have and could of saved chat.
dont get me wrong i shove stuff up me nose and blow a far portion on shit but ive learnt my lesson.
20 mins prior to this we were saying how shit its been today being only £90 up each.
we are lucky, extremely in my opinion enjoy it when it lasts and save as much as poss, because when its over its over. and this site will become ... what we used to have and could of saved chat.
dont get me wrong i shove stuff up me nose and blow a far portion on shit but ive learnt my lesson.
Midnight snacks, tut tut, I cut them out a long time ago, fasttrak to a coronary mate.
(This bit is just waffle that doesn't really answer your question, so ignore it if you want Lee)
The advantages of AWPing are that it's a buzz when everything is going to plan and you're making well. We float around feeling that we're king of the castle with lead in our pencils, the only fly in the ointment being a mountain of pound coins to take care off and when you're sitting on most of them driving from Toddington to Watford Gap, it gets a bit painful.
(I think I'm working up to getting to making some sort of point with this next paragraph, but then again I'm not 100% sure on that)
The thing is, without humptiers, we're only pulling in a slightly above the average wage and that's considering it's tax free. Yes you've got Roland Rat with his 100k club superholds and Pyney with his 'slams, but that's way out there in the exceptional ether.
(I'm just repeating what you said on here and in the beer garden of the Open Arms here)
You've said yourself Lee that the £50/day is acceptable, not taking into account emptiers.
(Now I do some maths without using a calculator)
Assuming that's an average for a 365day year and that figure accounts for days off then
365*£50 = £ 18250
Well let's double that to account for the emptiers. This year so far it has been the quiz stuff. Would it be unfair to say that the total annual salary for this day and age of a full time fruit pro = £36,500 per annum, just as an average guesstimate of net takings?
(Now I summarise the mathematics which I think leads to an opinion that may by speculative in relation to your original question)
Now that's a useful salary, it's above the national average, but it's not sensational, it's not blow your socks off Alan Sugar eat your heart out, Duncan Banantyne I'm consider-OI-bly richer than you.
(I think I'm waffling on a bit here, but it may be useful, so I'll leave it in)
That sort of money soon gets sizeably diminished by regular mortage payments. Utility bills are still unacceptably high in my opinion and a girlfriend who feels the cold in a big house and doesn't like the idea of being selective with radiators, compromising with the thermostat, well that equals best part £500 over the winter quarter just for the gas bill.
Running a car isn't cheap and a takeaway every night is an easy £10er, more like £20ish for two. If it's pizza then expect to remortgage your house if you want anything more exciting than cheese and tomato.
(Big TVs mean jack shit. Everyone has a big TV. The only people who don't have big TVs are old people, people like my Mum who find them incredibly scary.)
To be honest the stuff like big TVs, pretty much standard nowadays. If you live on benefits then you get it on some crappy repayment deal. Or if you're fat, pathetic and too depressed to work then the taxpayer pays for it. Or something like that.
(More waffle and I attempt to kid myself that I'm writing some sort of conclusion)
It's a comfortable enough wage bracket, survival isn't a problem BUT in my opinion your feet have to stay firmly on the ground. That's what I'm saying. I'm not going to be building a helipad in my garden and flying over Hounventry tomorrow pretending I'm on Google maps. OR fly to Monet Carlo, drop a Mill on black and complain it's rigged when red drops in.
Practically all my friends work in well paid jobs and have fairly affluent lifestyles. There are a couple of exceptions, but we all base how rich we are with the people that are closest to us. It's how human nature works.
(This is a thing I wrote earlier about routes. I'm not sure why I wrote it)
"Go around a load of fire pubs and play out the Reds. Brute force 'em out with a little finesse obviously, but basically you're playing 'em out. Throw a couple of Cluedos and dials into the mix and if you're that way inclined try a board on Empire Strikes back or that Games Media. Hell if your name starts Matt, try the latest DOND for a quick double flasher. You might like to add some really old stuff into that mix, perhaps a Yabba Dabba Darts that is always full next to a keyable Extreme and an unchipped Power 5. Maybe you win out of quiz machines without answering questions, or answering hard questions. Perhaps you have a load of benevolent grannies who leave certain games offerring certain things."
(This is what you wrote originally, I'll try and answer the questions in it as concisely as possible. I'll write in Russian so you can differentiate my answers with your words. Actually I'll just do capitals it's easier and there's less Vodka involved. In actual fact, I wrote JG here: at the start of everything I said.)
i went chippy tonight , and ordered the mrs and me a fish-cake , battered sausage , chips , curry sauce , and ,,,,,,, for a later on midnight snack two pucka pies , ,,,, i thought nothing of it , it was £7.80.
JG here: BARGAIN
anyhow had to wait 5mins or so for the fishcake , so the next customer ( obviously a regular by his patter/chatter with chippy owner ) ordered just chips , the owner replied "no fish tonight jack ?" to which the reply was " no can only afford it once a week"
JG here: Ambiguous, he could be a tight git, maybe spends most his disposable income on cigs and booze or he's really that hard up that a £3 plaice is a once/week expense.
and it got me thinking , just because we earn good money , are we frivolous with it ,?
Not really, sorry JG HERE: Not really, I could do with spending more cash. As you get later on in your 20s, money seems to become 'less disposable'. Put another way, a lot more of it seems to get spent on boring stuff and a lot less on fun stuff. I treat any gambling winnings as 'earnings'. If I later spend some of that on beer and Vick's Sinex, well that all depends what mood I'm in, but I do save, it doesn't ALL get fritterred. I'm not going to provide an analysis of my financial state but the SORRY THIS ISN'T IN CAPITALS, I THINK WE ALL KNOW IT'S JG HERE ANYWAY. JG HERE: Can't remember what I was going to say, I think in a nutshell 'not frivolous, spend some on treats, but also save a fair bit'.
general joe has got fuck all in this day and age, there are people working all hours , to come out with 200 quid a week , that gets eaten up by bills and leaves em with fuck all to spend on themselves , ,,,,, honestly i know people that are on the dole that dont want to work because the benefits they would lose would make them worse off..
Jg here: I know what you're getting at. Keeping it Leicester themed, take that bloomin' VAz down at Thomas's, now he has umpteen kids and is the main wage earner for the family. He works all hours God sends, he's at Thomas's pretty much all day. Getting paid what? Just over £5 an hour maybe £6. Then he'll be paying tax on that. Fairplay it's hard graft, but that has got to be tight hasn't it? I bet he's still on a CRT 19" TV with no Bloop-Ray in the front room. He made the mistake of working and not being lazy and down in the dumps. He can probably only afford fish suppers once or twice a week. Then again you can get smart price fruit scones from Sainsburys, ten a pack for 30p. Tins of sardines aren't expensive. Beans on toast. Less favoured cuts of meat. Buy in bulk. Make a big curry. Feed the family. Waffling on again. Sorry.
the situation is far worse ,in your average city centre , think 15 years ago , there were a lot less homeless on the streets than there are now, not all junkie lowlifes.
JG here: I've certainly noticed an increase in begging and sales of hooky aftershave in the past two years. Not necessarily recession linked, I just think the usage of illegal substances is STILL steadily on the increase despite the laws in place.
we have to see ourselves as very fortunate indeed , we dont save all year for the latest playstation , we just buy it , ,,,,,, do we limit ourselves to one chinese meal a month as part of a carefully planned monthly budget? ,,,,, fuck no , we have 5 a week if we want ,
Jg here: To be fair, so do most people on an average salary with no debt bar mortgage and average outgoings. You'll always get credit mutts who tie themselves up in debt. I don't float in those circles, all my friends are affluent, well practically all. I don't do credit mutts. If I want a Playstation or they want a Guitar Hero World Tour or they want to go to The Seychelles, Bloop, it's done.
yet on the flipside we moan if we have a 50loss day , ,,,,, but switch on our large screen tv's in our plush abodes , and see a crisis on the news about 200people dead in italy or the starving thousands in africa ,,,,,,,,, and it takes this reality check to knock us out of our namby pamby ( ooh ive lost 50 quid) sorry for ourselves mood .
JG here: Agreed, I'm just as guilty as being selfish as the next selfish person. Reality checks are good. Gambling, even professional gambling is notorious for making people lose perspective.
my question to the other pro's on this site ,,,,,,,,, is have we been so fortunate that we are de- sensitised to the true value of money ?????
Jg here: Lol no, I'm a fruit machinist not Alan bloomin' Sugar!
,,,,,,,, just because we can afford the latest gadget , does it meen we should buy it now on a whim ??
Jg here: Yeah, why not? you only live once
live for today ( afterall we've earned it)
Jg here: That's what terminally ill people always say. Stop worrying about money and live for today. Maybe one day I'll listen to them and move to that Polynesian island and then curse them as I get bitten by mosquitos as I shit in the sand.
or should we be living like everyone else , modestly , budget , no treats etc , and put away our earnings as a pension
Jg here: Bah Lee nonsense! No one under pre war age lives modestly, it's 2009, don't believe what you hear in the media, it's all a fabrication to cover up the vast levels of porn being downloaded by Government minister's husbands. Everyone's fucking loaded. Everyone drives a Landrover Sport turbo 7 litre 4 wheel traction controlled Satnaved thing with max pollutant super toxic fuckoff emissions and to hell with the emissions tax.
, or do more selfless acts with it by helping those friends and family members less fortunate ???
Jg here: Can't do any harm can it? Then again most of my family are consider-oi-bly richer than moi. Still good to see family. I always think if you can't look after your own blood......then.......well i can't remember the end bit, but you should certainly look after your own family.
there are no right or wrong answers , i just want to hear others views .
on whether or not ( by being above the system) do we truly know and respect the true value of money ???????
Jg here: We may be able to sleep in and wank off when we like, but we're not truly above the system. To me, someone truly above the system is an Inspector gadget figure who floats above Leicester with chopper blades on his Stetson hat, flying around going "wAHEEEYYYYYY!".
i took a day off last week to go skegness with my wife , my sister and her kids , i ended up paying for everything (my treat) ,,,,, to watch the kids faces light up on the fair , going on rides eating candyfloss etc , never played a fruit , but spent £150 quid
it made me feel better than any slotting day this year.
Jg here: Yes, very understandable.
my mother once said to me , that the trouble with your game is ,,,,,, your riding on a lifestyle of false highs and lows , one minute your pissed off that you lose 20 on a machine , the next your happy because you make 20, that cant be good for a persons emotional state and will always give you a false jaded approach to money . that a man with a fixed income wont get .
Jg here: Good sentiments, basically gambling, whatever the odds, be they stacked against you or with you, gambling is an emotional rollercoaster, good to step off once in a while. Ignore that Philip Larkin, parents are usually wiser than their offspring, so listen to them but with selective deafness. Alas wisdom doesn't bring inherent natural instincts that allow hassle free usage of technology made after 1970 and it goes without saying that you should never listen to 'fashion' advice from mothers.
money thoughts please gents.
I'm all thoughted out now Lee, I think I might go to bed. << That was Jg just there.
lee
(This bit is just waffle that doesn't really answer your question, so ignore it if you want Lee)
The advantages of AWPing are that it's a buzz when everything is going to plan and you're making well. We float around feeling that we're king of the castle with lead in our pencils, the only fly in the ointment being a mountain of pound coins to take care off and when you're sitting on most of them driving from Toddington to Watford Gap, it gets a bit painful.
(I think I'm working up to getting to making some sort of point with this next paragraph, but then again I'm not 100% sure on that)
The thing is, without humptiers, we're only pulling in a slightly above the average wage and that's considering it's tax free. Yes you've got Roland Rat with his 100k club superholds and Pyney with his 'slams, but that's way out there in the exceptional ether.
(I'm just repeating what you said on here and in the beer garden of the Open Arms here)
You've said yourself Lee that the £50/day is acceptable, not taking into account emptiers.
(Now I do some maths without using a calculator)
Assuming that's an average for a 365day year and that figure accounts for days off then
365*£50 = £ 18250
Well let's double that to account for the emptiers. This year so far it has been the quiz stuff. Would it be unfair to say that the total annual salary for this day and age of a full time fruit pro = £36,500 per annum, just as an average guesstimate of net takings?
(Now I summarise the mathematics which I think leads to an opinion that may by speculative in relation to your original question)
Now that's a useful salary, it's above the national average, but it's not sensational, it's not blow your socks off Alan Sugar eat your heart out, Duncan Banantyne I'm consider-OI-bly richer than you.
(I think I'm waffling on a bit here, but it may be useful, so I'll leave it in)
That sort of money soon gets sizeably diminished by regular mortage payments. Utility bills are still unacceptably high in my opinion and a girlfriend who feels the cold in a big house and doesn't like the idea of being selective with radiators, compromising with the thermostat, well that equals best part £500 over the winter quarter just for the gas bill.
Running a car isn't cheap and a takeaway every night is an easy £10er, more like £20ish for two. If it's pizza then expect to remortgage your house if you want anything more exciting than cheese and tomato.
(Big TVs mean jack shit. Everyone has a big TV. The only people who don't have big TVs are old people, people like my Mum who find them incredibly scary.)
To be honest the stuff like big TVs, pretty much standard nowadays. If you live on benefits then you get it on some crappy repayment deal. Or if you're fat, pathetic and too depressed to work then the taxpayer pays for it. Or something like that.
(More waffle and I attempt to kid myself that I'm writing some sort of conclusion)
It's a comfortable enough wage bracket, survival isn't a problem BUT in my opinion your feet have to stay firmly on the ground. That's what I'm saying. I'm not going to be building a helipad in my garden and flying over Hounventry tomorrow pretending I'm on Google maps. OR fly to Monet Carlo, drop a Mill on black and complain it's rigged when red drops in.
Practically all my friends work in well paid jobs and have fairly affluent lifestyles. There are a couple of exceptions, but we all base how rich we are with the people that are closest to us. It's how human nature works.
(This is a thing I wrote earlier about routes. I'm not sure why I wrote it)
"Go around a load of fire pubs and play out the Reds. Brute force 'em out with a little finesse obviously, but basically you're playing 'em out. Throw a couple of Cluedos and dials into the mix and if you're that way inclined try a board on Empire Strikes back or that Games Media. Hell if your name starts Matt, try the latest DOND for a quick double flasher. You might like to add some really old stuff into that mix, perhaps a Yabba Dabba Darts that is always full next to a keyable Extreme and an unchipped Power 5. Maybe you win out of quiz machines without answering questions, or answering hard questions. Perhaps you have a load of benevolent grannies who leave certain games offerring certain things."
(This is what you wrote originally, I'll try and answer the questions in it as concisely as possible. I'll write in Russian so you can differentiate my answers with your words. Actually I'll just do capitals it's easier and there's less Vodka involved. In actual fact, I wrote JG here: at the start of everything I said.)
i went chippy tonight , and ordered the mrs and me a fish-cake , battered sausage , chips , curry sauce , and ,,,,,,, for a later on midnight snack two pucka pies , ,,,, i thought nothing of it , it was £7.80.
JG here: BARGAIN
anyhow had to wait 5mins or so for the fishcake , so the next customer ( obviously a regular by his patter/chatter with chippy owner ) ordered just chips , the owner replied "no fish tonight jack ?" to which the reply was " no can only afford it once a week"
JG here: Ambiguous, he could be a tight git, maybe spends most his disposable income on cigs and booze or he's really that hard up that a £3 plaice is a once/week expense.
and it got me thinking , just because we earn good money , are we frivolous with it ,?
Not really, sorry JG HERE: Not really, I could do with spending more cash. As you get later on in your 20s, money seems to become 'less disposable'. Put another way, a lot more of it seems to get spent on boring stuff and a lot less on fun stuff. I treat any gambling winnings as 'earnings'. If I later spend some of that on beer and Vick's Sinex, well that all depends what mood I'm in, but I do save, it doesn't ALL get fritterred. I'm not going to provide an analysis of my financial state but the SORRY THIS ISN'T IN CAPITALS, I THINK WE ALL KNOW IT'S JG HERE ANYWAY. JG HERE: Can't remember what I was going to say, I think in a nutshell 'not frivolous, spend some on treats, but also save a fair bit'.
general joe has got fuck all in this day and age, there are people working all hours , to come out with 200 quid a week , that gets eaten up by bills and leaves em with fuck all to spend on themselves , ,,,,, honestly i know people that are on the dole that dont want to work because the benefits they would lose would make them worse off..
Jg here: I know what you're getting at. Keeping it Leicester themed, take that bloomin' VAz down at Thomas's, now he has umpteen kids and is the main wage earner for the family. He works all hours God sends, he's at Thomas's pretty much all day. Getting paid what? Just over £5 an hour maybe £6. Then he'll be paying tax on that. Fairplay it's hard graft, but that has got to be tight hasn't it? I bet he's still on a CRT 19" TV with no Bloop-Ray in the front room. He made the mistake of working and not being lazy and down in the dumps. He can probably only afford fish suppers once or twice a week. Then again you can get smart price fruit scones from Sainsburys, ten a pack for 30p. Tins of sardines aren't expensive. Beans on toast. Less favoured cuts of meat. Buy in bulk. Make a big curry. Feed the family. Waffling on again. Sorry.
the situation is far worse ,in your average city centre , think 15 years ago , there were a lot less homeless on the streets than there are now, not all junkie lowlifes.
JG here: I've certainly noticed an increase in begging and sales of hooky aftershave in the past two years. Not necessarily recession linked, I just think the usage of illegal substances is STILL steadily on the increase despite the laws in place.
we have to see ourselves as very fortunate indeed , we dont save all year for the latest playstation , we just buy it , ,,,,,, do we limit ourselves to one chinese meal a month as part of a carefully planned monthly budget? ,,,,, fuck no , we have 5 a week if we want ,
Jg here: To be fair, so do most people on an average salary with no debt bar mortgage and average outgoings. You'll always get credit mutts who tie themselves up in debt. I don't float in those circles, all my friends are affluent, well practically all. I don't do credit mutts. If I want a Playstation or they want a Guitar Hero World Tour or they want to go to The Seychelles, Bloop, it's done.
yet on the flipside we moan if we have a 50loss day , ,,,,, but switch on our large screen tv's in our plush abodes , and see a crisis on the news about 200people dead in italy or the starving thousands in africa ,,,,,,,,, and it takes this reality check to knock us out of our namby pamby ( ooh ive lost 50 quid) sorry for ourselves mood .
JG here: Agreed, I'm just as guilty as being selfish as the next selfish person. Reality checks are good. Gambling, even professional gambling is notorious for making people lose perspective.
my question to the other pro's on this site ,,,,,,,,, is have we been so fortunate that we are de- sensitised to the true value of money ?????
Jg here: Lol no, I'm a fruit machinist not Alan bloomin' Sugar!
,,,,,,,, just because we can afford the latest gadget , does it meen we should buy it now on a whim ??
Jg here: Yeah, why not? you only live once
live for today ( afterall we've earned it)
Jg here: That's what terminally ill people always say. Stop worrying about money and live for today. Maybe one day I'll listen to them and move to that Polynesian island and then curse them as I get bitten by mosquitos as I shit in the sand.
or should we be living like everyone else , modestly , budget , no treats etc , and put away our earnings as a pension
Jg here: Bah Lee nonsense! No one under pre war age lives modestly, it's 2009, don't believe what you hear in the media, it's all a fabrication to cover up the vast levels of porn being downloaded by Government minister's husbands. Everyone's fucking loaded. Everyone drives a Landrover Sport turbo 7 litre 4 wheel traction controlled Satnaved thing with max pollutant super toxic fuckoff emissions and to hell with the emissions tax.
, or do more selfless acts with it by helping those friends and family members less fortunate ???
Jg here: Can't do any harm can it? Then again most of my family are consider-oi-bly richer than moi. Still good to see family. I always think if you can't look after your own blood......then.......well i can't remember the end bit, but you should certainly look after your own family.
there are no right or wrong answers , i just want to hear others views .
on whether or not ( by being above the system) do we truly know and respect the true value of money ???????
Jg here: We may be able to sleep in and wank off when we like, but we're not truly above the system. To me, someone truly above the system is an Inspector gadget figure who floats above Leicester with chopper blades on his Stetson hat, flying around going "wAHEEEYYYYYY!".
i took a day off last week to go skegness with my wife , my sister and her kids , i ended up paying for everything (my treat) ,,,,, to watch the kids faces light up on the fair , going on rides eating candyfloss etc , never played a fruit , but spent £150 quid
it made me feel better than any slotting day this year.
Jg here: Yes, very understandable.
my mother once said to me , that the trouble with your game is ,,,,,, your riding on a lifestyle of false highs and lows , one minute your pissed off that you lose 20 on a machine , the next your happy because you make 20, that cant be good for a persons emotional state and will always give you a false jaded approach to money . that a man with a fixed income wont get .
Jg here: Good sentiments, basically gambling, whatever the odds, be they stacked against you or with you, gambling is an emotional rollercoaster, good to step off once in a while. Ignore that Philip Larkin, parents are usually wiser than their offspring, so listen to them but with selective deafness. Alas wisdom doesn't bring inherent natural instincts that allow hassle free usage of technology made after 1970 and it goes without saying that you should never listen to 'fashion' advice from mothers.
money thoughts please gents.
I'm all thoughted out now Lee, I think I might go to bed. << That was Jg just there.
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no offence taken matilda m8 , i know my personality shortcomings ,
but i was in no way boasting because the man in front couldn't afford his dinner and i could , ,,,,, it made me think thats all ,
i am guilty of frivolous unnecessary spending and boasting about it , hands held high.
i guess my main point is , we can all let success run away with us from time to time , and every now n again we need a reality check from the less fortunate , to make us think , and to plant our feet back firmly on the ground.
but i was in no way boasting because the man in front couldn't afford his dinner and i could , ,,,,, it made me think thats all ,
i am guilty of frivolous unnecessary spending and boasting about it , hands held high.
i guess my main point is , we can all let success run away with us from time to time , and every now n again we need a reality check from the less fortunate , to make us think , and to plant our feet back firmly on the ground.
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ratty m8 ,,,,,,, you raise a very valid point .
are we profiteering from the misery of others???
a big question , that im sure others will debate about with more intelligence than i can ,
so all i can say is , ...... nobody puts a gun to joe public's head and makes him play fruits.
i feel for others misfortune ( i really do) but its a necessary evil because it pays my wage . and for me the guilt trip has to end there.
are we profiteering from the misery of others???
a big question , that im sure others will debate about with more intelligence than i can ,
so all i can say is , ...... nobody puts a gun to joe public's head and makes him play fruits.
i feel for others misfortune ( i really do) but its a necessary evil because it pays my wage . and for me the guilt trip has to end there.
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That's sad, if that woman only had 33p left..or was she just saying it?, not to buy the kid a choc bar?red22 wrote:me and my mate was talking about this last night ... we were in a shop and a kid asked her mummy for a choc bar... she searched her purse and said i have 33p left till tuesday and asked the shop keeper what her kid could get for that.
20 mins prior to this we were saying how shit its been today being only £90 up each.
we are lucky, extremely in my opinion enjoy it when it lasts and save as much as poss, because when its over its over. and this site will become ... what we used to have and could of saved chat.
dont get me wrong i shove stuff up me nose and blow a far portion on shit but ive learnt my lesson.
ok let me set everyone straight here...
we are not profiting through others misery - ie. losses in the real sense...
these people that lose on awp machines in general are usually stupid people, who will lose on whatever is put in front of them, whether pro's are doing it afterwards or before or whatever.... they will sometimes lose money quicker or slower due to pro play, but they will always lose as they are saddicts... they will lose WHATEVER THE MACHINE IS, WHETHER ITS DONE BY PLAYERS OR NOT!!!
Case in point, is that people play rileys £250 barcrest random based machines on 86% payout, when they can easily go to a local bookies and play the same game on a higher percentage and higher jp, doesn't stop them doing hundreds into the worse game though does it..
we are not profiting through others misery - ie. losses in the real sense...
these people that lose on awp machines in general are usually stupid people, who will lose on whatever is put in front of them, whether pro's are doing it afterwards or before or whatever.... they will sometimes lose money quicker or slower due to pro play, but they will always lose as they are saddicts... they will lose WHATEVER THE MACHINE IS, WHETHER ITS DONE BY PLAYERS OR NOT!!!
Case in point, is that people play rileys £250 barcrest random based machines on 86% payout, when they can easily go to a local bookies and play the same game on a higher percentage and higher jp, doesn't stop them doing hundreds into the worse game though does it..