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Coalition Government

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:45 pm
by Stevie S
I keep reading articles in the paper suggesting that support for the coalition government remains stable, and I for one wasn't asked and feel these papers make these polls up. What is the truth?

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:50 pm
by Istenem
the daily mail is not a paper champ, it is a comic.

join yougov if you want to be a statistic. they pay £50 after c. three years.

nobody voted for the coalition, nobody approves of our current weak government; not least cameron. although clegg has got a moment in the sun for a faulted apolitical party. (one which will have to be renamed in three years to distance themselves from all the pathetic toadyism). i met vince cable some time ago and he was visibly humiliated to be constrained by other people's egos: odds-on that he'll be a tory before the next election.

remember that stupid facebook group that said "let's get the libdems into number 10"? a lot of people believed all that hooey. add that to the people who say that "lellow is my favourite colour" and you have a society which has absolutely no objective understanding of party politics. therefore the country has the government it deserves.

at least we were not thick enough to vote labour in again.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:09 am
by Stevie S
What is the answer then now that the three main parties are all so poor? Who should the people have the intelligence to vote in should the chance arise? I am a political atheist and believe that no matter what party you vote for you will just have puppets on a string who will dance to any song the super rich decide to play.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:08 am
by Istenem
you can only vote for your constituency's representative, local government and/or EU rep (which is like voting for who you want to tend flowerbeds).

so long as you do it with knowledge of the why, you have made the right decision. then you have to trust him or her to represent your interests.

but a lot of people just do what they are told, because they can't be bothered to think for themselves.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:16 am
by pokerpete
you do talk some balls Istenem :D

Being a Liberal is a legitimate political position and most people voted Lib Dem with a decent understanding of what they were chosing.
None of the parties received a majority so there are having to be compromises, some of which stick in my throat, but that's life.

Of the three parties, the Conservatives are the ones I least want in power, but if they must be, I'm happier knowing there are Liberals tempering the cabinet debate.

With some changes to the voting system, the way the commons is made up will significantly change over the next few terms. AV is just the first step. Like many others, I live in a town which is a supposed "safe seat" (in my case, Blue) so my vote is virtually pointless.
The Lib Dems got around a quarter of the overall votes cast but a tenth of the seats. How can that be a fair system?

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:19 am
by harry2
We will have a PR system then, allowing BNP and then some other lunatic parties a few MPs ? Whatever the situation, coalitions don't appear to work.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:18 am
by Spyder
i voted bnp and looney party.

basicly because i dont know enough about things to vote for the others, and the press love it when Nick Griffin gets in the public eye a bit..

i wouldnt want my vote to actually count, then id have to blame myself if things went worse!

not enough people are ever going to vote bnp, but if enough vote to make the numbers look higher, maybe somewhere someone 'up there' will notice the majority of the country are fed up with all their bullshit.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:28 am
by pokerpete
If every vote counter, maybe fewer people would waste theirs or more people would bother to turn out.

I'd hope our cunt-count isn't high enough to actually elect a BNP MP

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:42 am
by quizard
At last election the BNP got nearly 2% of the overall vote so on a straight proportional system that would have given them 13 seats in parliament.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:22 pm
by pokerpete
but we're not moving to a system where they'd get those seats.
On the AV system we're moving to, they wouldn't have got any.

as unpleasant as I find it, if 2% of the people of this country are stupid and bigoted enough to cast their vote that way, so be it.

I can't believe anyone would actually read the BNPs full manifesto and be thick enough to vote for them, but then I'd sugest that the majority of people who did vote for them didn't do that.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:26 pm
by Istenem
most voters can read.
many voters can understand.
few voters can reason.

so the electorate does what it is told to do.

"i'm sorry sir, 4/3 is no good in this game."

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:10 am
by pokerpete
I'm not as cynical as you.
I think, more than ever before, the electorate in 2010 talked through the issues and listened to others talk through the issues, and made their own minds up.

There's clearly some sheep for every party who don't really understand the ideology they're voting for, but I think we've took steps in the right direction.

Maybe I give people too much credit.