Off topic argument

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:23 am

We haven't had a decent off topic argument for a while.

We've done the merits of working / paying tax / claiming benefits to death.
We've had a crack at party politics, immigration and even conspiracy theorys.

What shall we do next?

Religion maybe?

Any Theists amongst us?

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:24 am

The world would be a better place without religion, there, i've said it!

quasar911 · Post by **quasar911** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:57 am

Let God Sort 'Em Out.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:18 am

If you believe in God, then you've got the bases covered. No downside, is there. You are either goinfg to be eaten by worms, or to the great 105% arcade in the sky.

Probably lots of 777 Heavens in there, that flash most boards. No-one knows the nudge up trick and they pause constantly.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:01 am

I'm with Scott.
Religion, organised or otherwise, is a bad thing for us.

Better off without it.

Harry introduced Pascall's wager a lot sooner than I expected.
Doesn't work though.
Which god exactly are you hedging your bets and believing in just in case?
what if it's the wrong one?

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:56 am

I'll try Richard Dawkins Anti-Pascal wager instead !!

Mr McStreak · Post by **Mr McStreak** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:15 pm

Poker Pete, I like the way you work. Suggest an argument/debate on a topic that you clearly have strong, knowledgeable views on, and then when someone challenges your beliefs hit them with a torrent of deep, meaningful theories and insight, the majority of which goes straight over the heads of the average person. You are then left feeling as though your opinions are fact when of course you couldn't possibly know.

Good stuff.

Religion is a load of old bollocks by the way, and God doesn't/didn't exist, so there. Even my Religious Education teacher at school didn't believe in God, or any other deity.

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:18 pm

Or you could try the saint martindale method.

Keep doubling your belief until you get paid.

trayhop123 · Post by **trayhop123** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:54 pm

i think im agnostic ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i believe in what i can see , touch and feel .

ive never believed in any god or religious strains ,,,,,,,,,,,,

no god , (if one ever existed) would allow the people who prayed to them to suffer famine and earthquakes etc

( christian voice from the back shouts) ,,,,,, '' but god has given us freewill to shape our own world and make our own decisions regarding our own welfare ''

Ahh that old chestnut ,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry thats bolocks , it may get around the famine issue buster , but that dont get around natural disasters suffering and pain

look if you wanna convince me your god exists ,,,,,,,,,,, any religion , any god ??? ,,,,,,, then simply show him physically to me ,,,,,,,, lets see his face pop out the clouds ,,,,,,, go on then ,,,,,,,,,, then ill believe ,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,, but you cant ,,,,, so there

so ill take the scientific route till you do

religion has been the cause of hundreds of wars , with the pointless loss of millions of lives , ,,,,,,,,,,

nothing wrong with people dying for their beliefs , but when them beliefs arnt backed up by any tangible proof whatsoever ,,,,,,, then whats the point ?

( oh ffs here comes that christian again) ,,,,,,,

''but but erm ,,,,, i have seen god , he came to me in a vision/sign/dream etc"

no he didn't , you muppet ,,,,,,,,,,, if he did , prove it . your just one of the millions of others brainwash'd without not one piece of solid evidence to show for it.

religion's not all bad though ,,,,,,,,,, there are a lot of good people out there who due to their religious beliefs , lead good clean helpful lives etc .

bottom line for me ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, many many years ago ,,,,,,,,,, a fellow called god had a massive global number 1 bestseller , kinda like jk rowling today.

ooooohhhh the contraversy ,,,,,,,,,

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:21 pm

Mr McStreak wrote:Poker Pete, I like the way you work. Suggest an argument/debate on a topic that you clearly have strong, knowledgeable views on, and then when someone challenges your beliefs hit them with a torrent of deep, meaningful theories and insight, the majority of which goes straight over the heads of the average person. You are then left feeling as though your opinions are fact when of course you couldn't possibly know.

Good stuff.

Religion is a load of old bollocks by the way, and God doesn't/didn't exist, so there. Even my Religious Education teacher at school didn't believe in God, or any other deity.

Just occured to me that I'm involved in a variety of Forums and the poker / MMA / Music ones have all had lively theological debate.
This is the only one I post on that hasn't.
Just wondered where it'd go.

Nixxy · Post by **Nixxy** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:22 pm

pokerpete wrote:Just occured to me that I'm involved in a variety of Forums and the poker / MMA / Music ones have all had lively theological debate.
This is the only one I post on that hasn't.
Just wondered where it'd go.

As if you didn't know, Pete

blackmogu · Post by **blackmogu** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:30 pm

All this theology talk reminded me of this amusing ChemEng end-of-year question "Is Hell endothermic or exothermic ?"

"First, We postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave.

Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially.

Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. Two options exist:

1. If hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.

2. If hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over.
So which is it?

If we accept the quote given to me by Theresa Manyan during Freshman year, "that it will be a cold night in hell before I sleep with you" and take into account the fact that I still have NOT succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then Option 2 cannot be true...Thus, hell is exothermic."