William Hill not paying out

[ChrisBrighton]

JG i think that you are very unsympathic.

Simply because you maybe able to resist the urge of playing the Roulette does not mean that you can label someone as weak for playing them.

Shame on you.

[trayhop123]

what a load of old tat .

i agree with jg

sympathy is given to people who have had unfortunate accidents in life . not to people who know full well what their getting themselves into .

i give sympathy to the op for the unfortunate way he was messed around for his winnings ,


but why would anybody give any form of sympathy to roulette players in general ,is beyond me ??? ,,,,,,,, its gambling .

anybody that entertains roulette , knowing its a gamble ,,,,,,,, and then proceed's to GAMBLE more than he can afford to lose ,,,,,,,,,, is WEAK .


there's loads of addicts who have gambled away their housekeeping / marriage /life away. when the kids need napies and food on the table ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i sympathise with their long suffering families ,, absolutely ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but as for the gambler , no ,,,,, fuck em ,,,,,,

[JG]

Ah I never labelled the OP as weak, I just said that his discipline was poor. The latter I agree would appear to be unsympathetic and may not neccesarily be in context with the situation. So apologies if I caused any offence to the OP, but in the eyes of a discipline junkie, a dabble on 99.9% of games offered on a FOBT would be classed as poor discipline.
The customer service was below par, but from my understanding, very standard procedure.
As usual a large dose of salt was required with my posting. As it was drenched in acerbic vinegar, even more salt than usual was needed.

Sometimes I do have sympathy for a lot of self inflicted misery that people bring upon themselves. Addiction is a paradoxical issue in my eyes. Some days I have sympathy, other days I don't.
Is it that inherently weak willed behaviour that can be classed as an illness and therefore out of the subject's control?
Or is it the case that everyone has the power to help themselves, just that some are too selfish and weak to face up to reality?

I'd also like to add that I am in no way insinuating that the OP has any sort of gambling problem. If you wish to stake £x on a FOBT and you can afford to do that within your means and this is not having any detriment to your normal daily life and you understand you are buying entertainment, then that is your business.

Finally I myself have had a lapse of disicpline and had a messy session on a FOBT a couple of years back. I had gone into the LBO (loony bin octopus) to find that my treasured playable was not there any more. In a bizarre tilt, totally uncharacteristic of my normal playing style, I wanked off the best part of the 11th letter of the alphabet on Rainbow Riches and Roulette. The three Rs. They should teach the perils of those in school.
I do find roulette an alluring game, it's gamblers opium and we're all gamblers. I respect it for the dangerous animal it is and limit myself to using an on line RNG and generating long strings of random numbers from 0-36 inclusive until I lose in my mind. Then I congratulate myself for my shrewdness in not playing.

Cheers,

JG

[trayhop123]

you raise a very good point there jg ,,,,,


everybody likes the odd flutter , and of course you should be able to have a small gamble , with what you CAN afford to lose .


its the people that gamble what they cant afford to lose , when they have family that depend on them ,,,,,,,,,,,,, thats what makes me sick.


its the same for drugs or any form of self abuse. ,,,,,,,,, ive always took the opinion , that if somebody lives alone , with no dependable's whatsoever , and has paid all their bills , and isn't in debt with anyone or anything ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and as long as nobody else is getting hurt in anyway ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, then with their spare money ,,,,,,,,,,, do what you like , whether thats sticking powders up your nose , gambling , getting slaughtered ,,,,, whatever .

(you might find my opinion odd , seeing as its coming from a non smoking non drinking non druggy tea-total clean living , goody two shoes , right from wrong sad twat superhero fan freak lol) .

but controversial as it may be , im not anti drug or anti gambler or anti any vice ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, im just anti twats that hurt other people due to not being responsible with their choices .

lee.

[Spyder]

fobt are a pure gamble (in most cases)

only gamble with money you can afford to lose, if you or anyone you know are having problems with gambling then please call gamcare on 0800 blah blah

same old story...

[sir ratholer]

I have a lot of sympathy for op.

For a start, he put £80 in before he was told he wouldn't get paid out that night, that's not right. They should have told him that IMMEDIATELY.

Furthermore, in the year 2010, it should be possible for the cashier to send the money electronically instantly if the shop does not have adequate funds to pay the money out in cash.

And this leads me onto my last point. Shops should always have the money in cash, at least to cover a £5k win. It's not that unusual for that to happen. If they can't, they should have their roulette licences taken away. After all, if you won this sum in a casino, they wouldn't even bat an eyelid.

If shops are worried about theft, they should protect themselves better. They probably already build in a theft risk into their profit calculations anyway, and it's insured no doubt as well. So this should be no excuse. You don't see HSBC or Natwest saying they don't have enough cash on site, just the building societies masquerading as banks do that.

[Been-Grant-Mitchell'd!]

So Joker53 likes to have a punt on the rou? So what.

It's his money ain't it?

All this "whiter-than-white" crap hints of their own failings.

I've had a go when they first hit the shops and got stung a few days earnings so didn't bother again, but if he wants to have a go - good luck to him.

William Hill barred a couple of players from Brighton for playing the Lucky8 last year so I've got no respect for them either.

[JG]

I got asked to leave a Ladbrokes up on Ball Hill for playing a p2 wiyb. At the end of the day though, surely it's the shop manager's decision and not necessarily company policy?
Had L8 been on Global Draw, then maybe players would have been barred from Coral shops etc
I'm not saying William Hill are saints, just that they don't seem to be any worse/better for customer services than any other large chain bookmakers.

You're right though, all this whiter than white nonsense is getting tedious, I'm off to lose 2k on Rainbow Riches.


Cheers,

JG1

[ob]

And this leads me onto my last point. Shops should always have the money in cash, at least to cover a £5k win. It's not that unusual for that to happen.
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Erm, I beg to differ, having been in many bookies over the past year for varying reasons, I've not seen anyone with a £5k win EVER.

I can't see where you get this "not unusual" from, as the highest win per spin is £500!

Although I can't help feeling I could have turned my meagre profits into these £5K's myself if I had gambled on with my fondness of hitting the 9 area :P

Honestly having took a load of profits from those FOBTs havent played them in months, and have 0 intention of playing them again, on principle that I want to be a long term winner on them .

[sir ratholer]

And this leads me onto my last point. Shops should always have the money in cash, at least to cover a £5k win. It's not that unusual for that to happen.
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Erm, I beg to differ, having been in many bookies over the past year for varying reasons, I've not seen anyone with a £5k win EVER.

I can't see where you get this "not unusual" from, as the highest win per spin is £500!

Although I can't help feeling I could have turned my meagre profits into these £5K's myself if I had gambled on with my fondness of hitting the 9 area :P

Honestly having took a load of profits from those FOBTs havent played them in months, and have 0 intention of playing them again, on principle that I want to be a long term winner on them .

Ok well maybe an outright £5k win is not usual, but surely it wouldn't be that uncommon for an individual shop to be down this much throughout a day where a lot of results go against them.

As for you and roulette, we all know that as soon as you next get to a done area, you'll be spinning away...and getting lucky again no doubt

[Scott]

I only ever got barred from one shop for doing Lucky8, which i class as a right result



And even then it was'nt for doing it the dodgy way, it was for hogging it all day.

[maverick69]

sir ur post is spot on there, especially the bit about the building socs they are jokes, i went into halifax and only wanted to take 2 grand out to lend to a mate who was buying a car, and they started asking me wot i wanted it for, i was like who are u my fucking dad.any way they sed i needed to give a weeks notice. I sed fine i'll shut my accounts and my ISA and go to nat west down the road im sure they will offer me an account. Funny how the manager turned up and let me take 2 grand out. jokes the lot of them