FOBT roulette is rigged (again)

Northern Monkey · Post by **Northern Monkey** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:12 pm

blackmogu wrote:funny how aces always seem to congregate in a shoe. Had to split to 7 before !

Seems to happen just as I have doubled up on mhy regular stake as well. Does generate a bit of a buzz round the table though - the Chinese love it.

gaztarra · Post by **gaztarra** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:29 pm

hi its me the idiot again! just cos roulette doesnt need to be fixd for the house to always win,does not mean it is not fixd..the bookies are fixt,anyone who plays them and real roulette knows this for a fact!the reasons for them bieng fixed are two fold..firstly(greed)plain old greed,,& the other reason is that system players would grind them all day,it would also be possible for someone to have a masive "fluke win"there would be no control!! think about this logicly,,,they have a pay take ratio"not a house %"if we asume a pay & take ratio on a pub bandit or f.o.b.t equals 20%,,then for every 100 taken,it pays out 20 pound...HOW THE HELL would it be possible to control this in a random game?they can not co-exsist together,its either one or the other!it canot be both...the machines display the % payouts...not the house edge"zero"...its a fruit machine that pays out a % of what it takes,people re-bet with this "onscreen" money,the machine compounds its LEGALY ENTITLED TAKE until its tuck the lot.

gaztarra · Post by **gaztarra** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:32 pm

xhopz wrote:gaztarra, why would a game that already cannot be beaten be 'rigged?

You say you have joined here because there's plenty on here who agree they are rigged also? Wrong, most on here have half a brain and know these games are random.

You say they are rigged because the graphic that represents a certain number is always the same..the number is chosen before that graphic starts, who cares how the machine presents it?

You claim you know more about these machines than the average punter yet cannot yet get your head round the most fundamental of factors, the game is 100% random and cannot be beaten.

the simple fact it is fixed to rob us..makes it beat able...
but firstly you must realise there rigd,

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:13 pm

fuckin hell mate, you are a proper knob

gaztarra · Post by **gaztarra** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:37 pm

Spyder wrote:fuckin hell mate, you are a proper knob

hey mate!!from what ive read of your post!!!& vlads,,,you clearly have played these & you know the score with them,,for instance your last bet seems to win when there is not enuff to realy win jack shit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
from statements like this,its clear you play them/or have dun,,also you know when a good win/number comes in,and u hit respin,it nearly always fucks ya
reading yours & vlads posts are why am here mate!
i know there robing bastards & so do you!
balls in your court mate,tell me to fuck off!or chat with me

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:50 pm

they arent "rigged" however, they are "fixed odds"

roulette is beatable under the folling circumstances only:

a) an infinite amount of credit
b) a fully no limits table

neither of these things apply to bookies roulette

i personally believe the machine doesnt pick a number at random,
i believe it possibly picks if you win or not, then offers a number based on an attractive looking number... to make similar patterns appear to have happened, thus, making it so the RNG isnt exploitable by simply writing down thousands of history numbers and finding a real pattern.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:11 pm

the RTP (return to player) on every bet on a standard European roulette wheel is 97.3%
so whether you bet on a single number, a corner, a column, an "evens" bet, your return over the long run will be 97.3%

Obviously over a few hundred games you'll see a massive amount of statistical 'noise' but over a 100 billion games, at £1 a spin, you'll get £97.3 billion back.

If the RTP of a roulette game you're playing is anything other than 97.3% it's not random.
If it is, it is.

/thread

gaztarra · Post by **gaztarra** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:31 pm

only somebody who has played them & real roulette would know what you have wrote!!! you agree whith me there not random!it decides to award a win ,loss or draw"even stevens"ect..then chooses a number that best fits its decision..
a "number"that is/maybe choosen in respect to the overal statistical balance,one which gives the best representation of random result.

does the machine choose numbers that create patterns,red,red,red,red ect & alike,to entice you!!!i do not believe this is the case"ive gave this much thought & testing"playing"..........................................................
i believe it could possibly choose"sometimes"the number next to yours"on purpose,to fool,suck u in,,,,people are people...all in all i would say that they do not do this,or present patterns"previos spin results"to entice us!but i could be wrong,
i am asuming its ok to say that u agree that weather its 20% payout ratoi or indeed 2.7%..that the results are connected to your bet,in direct coralation...hence!seemingly unfair & non random
i am going to be cheeky and ask which bookies u playd at!!!!

trayhop123 · Post by **trayhop123** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:13 pm

random/not random / fixed / not fixed ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the debate goes on

and who honestly cares anymore ?

bottom line ,,,,,,,,,,,,, theres no sign of the bookies getting rid of em ,,,,,,,,

that should tell you all you need to know.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:19 pm

I don't play roulette either on real tables or FOBTs because I don't like games that I can't beat.
The reason I like poker, is that for me it's +100%
roulette has a house edge that can't be beaten.

FOBT doesn't need to be rigged, because roulette as a whole is fundamentally biased towards the house.

The number drawn on FOBT roulette isn't affected by where your chips are, how much you have in the bank, if you won/lost on the previous spin, what colour socks you're wearing or what animal limb you have round your neck.

The only way to beat roulette is not to play it, but you won't do that, because you're a gambler and you think one day, you'll beat the odds and win big.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:24 pm

the comment about thinking the machine might pick a number "next to yours"

if you were to bet one spot, say 17... and the numbers came in 18 16 15 14 13 19 20 21 over and over and over, then fair enough, but if you bet 6 or 7 numbers spread out then you are always going to be "just one away"

the human brain strives to find a pattern in everything like this, this s one of the simple observations

i also assume you believe it makes it rigged if you bet every number apart from 1 and it comes in on that one?

silly thing is, that it does come in if you put the chips on one spot only.. ive done, one spin, £6 on one number, and it came in

there is defintely a different "feel" to some FOBT compared with a real roulette table.. however, till its been hacked and reverse engineered, we will never find out exactly why.

maverick69 · Post by **maverick69** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:47 pm

they are rigged end of story...i played them for about a 3 month period, prob 2-3 times a week. too many patterns of say u have a number with 3 quid on it and u got a 26 pound spin it will give u a number next to the 3 quid and give u a number with 80p on it returning u a 2 quid prof. it will suck u in......repeat reapeat reapeat. then it may give u a 1.40 number dead again dead dead. they are very clever. u can tell when there on the take. lucks got nothing to do with it. there rigged simple.its y i dont play them

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:58 pm

how many spins would you estimate you had in that time period?

maverick69 · Post by **maverick69** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:09 pm

say 20 -50 spins a session take an average say 35 x 3 95. 95x4 380 x 3 is around 1000 for arguements sake. 1000 spins.....i saw from playing with mixed results....that say u backed 15-31 which i did....the ammount of times it would go in 14 was more than normal. that was the only numbers ive ever played on them. in that 3 month period i lost in the region of 2000....which isnt really much. but it was a learning curve. it taught me enuf never to play one again.i covered 14 numbers....if i was winning i was increasing my bets....move i took out of one was 2000 pounds.... i could work out how much i lost as i recorded all of it on excel. the ammount of tiers when i was backing that area was silly....compared to a casino situation. where it varies more randomly.

maverick69 · Post by **maverick69** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:15 pm

if u want even more conclusive proof, a good freind of mine that doesnt even gamble...his collegue whos used to work for bet fred. told him there rigged and he was the regional manager. hes not the sort of person that need to bull shit either. this comment put me right off them also

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