suri ?

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:32 pm

in my time on this forum ,i've heard reference to this suri character several times. a legend no doubt. any one got any anecdotes?

cool · Post by **cool** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:09 am

a very skilled player more talked about that seen (me included) . travels throughout se england west to at least bournemouth. stated as overrated by at least one pro player in as much as he learns databases related to one companies output (commonsense to me!). known to specialise particularly in caveman capers and the football quiz regularly getting scores over 100. lives in london.believed to be of indian ancestry (need confirmation).believed to been active 20+ yrs. uses similar approach to me does not leave a machine unplayable targets favourites then goes.similar thread -known to have exploited software error in underground game (90's). known to be approachable and affable when playing (unlike me!).grecian i think met him in railway station bar some time ago and was impressed with his knowledge.

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:35 am

cool wrote:a very skilled player more talked about that seen (me included) . travels throughout se england west to at least bournemouth. stated as overrated by at least one pro player in as much as he learns databases related to one companies output (commonsense to me!). known to specialise particularly in caveman capers and the football quiz regularly getting scores over 100. lives in london.believed to be of indian ancestry (need confirmation).believed to been active 20+ yrs. uses similar approach to me does not leave a machine unplayable targets favourites then goes.similar thread -known to have exploited software error in underground game (90's). known to be approachable and affable when playing (unlike me!).grecian i think met him in railway station bar some time ago and was impressed with his knowledge.

I certainly was - see viewtopic.php?t=6711 . I hadn't really believed before seeing him that there were players out there who were streets ahead of me, but I fully believe that now. If Suri's not the best player in the country, he's in the top five I don't doubt.

He lives on the outskirts of London, and plays throughout London but also - as Cool says - across southern England generally I suspect. I suspect like most top players he has a very long circuit - in all my time playing in London I've only seen him twice, albeit both sites within half a mile of one another. He is, I've been told, in his 50s, and has been playing machines since the early days, although (I've been told) he was much of a muchness with other pro players for a while before moving away from the rest of the crowd. He was/is a decent-level chess player, so has that in common with Cool. I've only met him once, but as Cool says he was very affable and pleasant: whether he'd still be like that given how much I talk about him on here, I doubt!

His most obvious ability is on FFQ: he was scoring 95+ very early on on this (e.g. viewtopic.php?p=87944) and tops the scoreboards all over London with scores frequently of 105+ - at least one 114 (38-0-0) has been spotted, with is a stupendous achievement. He plays under the name INCA most commonly, although I'm sure he also uses the taunting ELLO when a local (i.e. me) has filled up a scoreboard and he takes one shot and tops the board.

He's also, so I've been told, an expert on Ind:e games using the Channel One bank, and both times I've seen him he was playing Ind:es. It's said he has an Ind:e in his kitchen. He is very choosy, and there are certain games he has never bothered to play (judging by the state he leaves machines in) e.g. Celebrity WWTBAM. I suspect he has an overall strategy involving complete command of particular question banks, and if a game doesn't fit in with that strategy, he doesn't play it. From what I've been told I think he must be an absolute master of memory techniques.

As Cool says, I've been told he rarely takes more than £40+ out of a machine before moving on. (He collected £39 the second time I saw him.) I was once told by someone at ItBox that, because of the remote connections, they could trace Suri moving round an area by the jackpots being taken out of the ItBoxes at each location! Quality stuff.

Fundamentally seeing Suri play was one of the four or five most impressive things I've ever seen; an absolute revelation.

alcozar · Post by **alcozar** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:44 pm

Always wondered what memory techniques if any the top players on here use? Do any of the players on here use/vouch for any of the systems (such as the Major system/method of Loci, e.t.c)?

betchrider · Post by **betchrider** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:45 pm

Amazing stuff!!

JG · Post by JG » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:24 pm

A chess player and a memory expert. I bet he'd know that Bobby Fischer was a Pisces (born March 9th). He was also born in Chicago (that's a £3 round question on Pub Quiz [--)<>OO ;

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If you do see him again, or I see him, then I shall negate any small talk and go straight in with that question.

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:44 pm

wow!, that first linked thread took me ages to read and thanks for taking the time out to enlighten me guys.

i like the way the guy leaves the unit after 40 quid out(QUOTE:not over cooking the golden goose),when he could have quite easily left a dry husk,he sounds like a very disciplined individual.i could'nt imagine many awp'ers leaving more than a couple of quid in anything that they had the power to empty.

in my time i have witnessed a few swp boys of some calibre ,1 guy in particular used to drift by occasionally to demolish the old monopoly we had and whilst in town would mutilate all the pub machines ,he must have been late 50s early 60s maybe ,and never needed any time for his answers,he was playing machines with much smaller databases,suri is of course in a different league to him.

what i would'nt give to get the guys story in his own words ,hmmmm.
things to do list; waterloo ..........eventually i may get round to it.

cp999 · Post by **cp999** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:23 pm

mr lugsy wrote:i like the way the guy leaves the unit after 40 quid out(QUOTE:not over cooking the golden goose),when he could have quite easily left a dry husk,he sounds like a very disciplined individual.i could'nt imagine many awp'ers leaving more than a couple of quid in anything that they had the power to empty.

I think you'll find that most pros prefer to milk machines, except when it's something they won't be returning to for a long time. Far better to do what you consider to be the easy money in, say, 30 mins and move on. In fairness, there is a difference in the context. He (and others in a similar position) can be reasonably confident nobody will be doing anything significant in the near future off the games they've just done. It doesn't compare with only doing half the hopper on *insert favourite AWP empty* where the money probably won't be there when you get back.

JG · Post by JG » Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:59 pm

I know some cabinets (SWP) protect themselves. Are there games out there whereby the game will disappear after two consecutive(ish) jackpot hits, but not disappear from inifinte £3/£5 hits?

Also, the million dollar question, how has Suri got access to the Channel 1 databases and others? hmm?

cool · Post by **cool** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:10 pm

I dont know if I mentioned it before but Kevin Ashman told me he was approached by a world memory champion who told him he could make him even better.Kevin declined his kind invitation to train him as it would remove a lot of the joy of learning. The joy of knowledge isnt just in the having its how you acquire it.

tonkarentino · Post by **tonkarentino** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:40 pm

cp999 wrote:
mr lugsy wrote:i like the way the guy leaves the unit after 40 quid out(QUOTE:not over cooking the golden goose),when he could have quite easily left a dry husk,he sounds like a very disciplined individual.i could'nt imagine many awp'ers leaving more than a couple of quid in anything that they had the power to empty.
I think you'll find that most pros prefer to milk machines, except when it's something they won't be returning to for a long time. Far better to do what you consider to be the easy money in, say, 30 mins and move on. In fairness, there is a difference in the context. He (and others in a similar position) can be reasonably confident nobody will be doing anything significant in the near future off the games they've just done. It doesn't compare with only doing half the hopper on *insert favourite AWP empty* where the money probably won't be there when you get back.

I might be incredibly naive but isn't it true that to a certain extent the games can protect themselves to make it too onerous to stand on a particular game until the machine has been "emptied". I'm not thinking about when there is a "trick" but just in normal circumstances. For example I'd expect to get one good hit out of a "Bully" but then when it goes on 701/801 mode with a £2.00 gamble to £4.00 it becomes mind numbingly dull. In the old days when machines were less frequently placed in pubs it necessitated really good hammerings (with the obvious bonus that stand alones filled up far quicker.) Now one good hit from each of two or three chosen games and move to the pub next door is surely the way anyone who is serious would do it. If you've hit a particular game for a tenner or more you can nearly guarantee that no-one is going to do "anything significant" for a wee while.
Needless to say I don't know Suri but if he is the "gentleman" he is purported to be he'll be the first I've heard of!

cp999 · Post by **cp999** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:50 pm

tonkarentino wrote:
cp999 wrote:
mr lugsy wrote:i like the way the guy leaves the unit after 40 quid out(QUOTE:not over cooking the golden goose),when he could have quite easily left a dry husk,he sounds like a very disciplined individual.i could'nt imagine many awp'ers leaving more than a couple of quid in anything that they had the power to empty.
I think you'll find that most pros prefer to milk machines, except when it's something they won't be returning to for a long time. Far better to do what you consider to be the easy money in, say, 30 mins and move on. In fairness, there is a difference in the context. He (and others in a similar position) can be reasonably confident nobody will be doing anything significant in the near future off the games they've just done. It doesn't compare with only doing half the hopper on *insert favourite AWP empty* where the money probably won't be there when you get back.
I might be incredibly naive but isn't it true that to a certain extent the games can protect themselves to make it too onerous to stand on a particular game until the machine has been "emptied". I'm not thinking about when there is a "trick" but just in normal circumstances. For example I'd expect to get one good hit out of a "Bully" but then when it goes on 701/801 mode with a £2.00 gamble to £4.00 it becomes mind numbingly dull. In the old days when machines were less frequently placed in pubs it necessitated really good hammerings (with the obvious bonus that stand alones filled up far quicker.) Now one good hit from each of two or three chosen games and move to the pub next door is surely the way anyone who is serious would do it. If you've hit a particular game for a tenner or more you can nearly guarantee that no-one is going to do "anything significant" for a wee while.
Needless to say I don't know Suri but if he is the "gentleman" he is purported to be he'll be the first I've heard of!

Yes, you're of course right to make the point about games protecting themselves, which by and large they are much better at doing than in "the good old days". My point, which I suppose I didn't make in a sufficiently clear manner, but which I think you understand, was that there are plenty occasions where I've been on a cooperative machine, will play my main hits, get 40 or whatever quickly - then I could, but won't, spend an hour to drag another 30 out via less high-priority games. As you said, the pub next door beckons

tonkarentino · Post by **tonkarentino** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:21 pm

cp999 wrote:
tonkarentino wrote:
cp999 wrote: I think you'll find that most pros prefer to milk machines, except when it's something they won't be returning to for a long time. Far better to do what you consider to be the easy money in, say, 30 mins and move on. In fairness, there is a difference in the context. He (and others in a similar position) can be reasonably confident nobody will be doing anything significant in the near future off the games they've just done. It doesn't compare with only doing half the hopper on *insert favourite AWP empty* where the money probably won't be there when you get back.
I might be incredibly naive but isn't it true that to a certain extent the games can protect themselves to make it too onerous to stand on a particular game until the machine has been "emptied". I'm not thinking about when there is a "trick" but just in normal circumstances. For example I'd expect to get one good hit out of a "Bully" but then when it goes on 701/801 mode with a £2.00 gamble to £4.00 it becomes mind numbingly dull. In the old days when machines were less frequently placed in pubs it necessitated really good hammerings (with the obvious bonus that stand alones filled up far quicker.) Now one good hit from each of two or three chosen games and move to the pub next door is surely the way anyone who is serious would do it. If you've hit a particular game for a tenner or more you can nearly guarantee that no-one is going to do "anything significant" for a wee while.
Needless to say I don't know Suri but if he is the "gentleman" he is purported to be he'll be the first I've heard of!

Yes, you're of course right to make the point about games protecting themselves, which by and large they are much better at doing than in "the good old days". My point, which I suppose I didn't make in a sufficiently clear manner, but which I think you understand, was that there are plenty occasions where I've been on a cooperative machine, will play my main hits, get 40 or whatever quickly - then I could, but won't, spend an hour to drag another 30 out via less high-priority games. As you said, the pub next door beckons ]

We are of like mind. The question remains though. "Do you think Suri etc. are any different?"

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:37 pm

[quote="cool"] the joy of learning. The joy of knowledge isn't just in the having]

spot on Cool. was that catullus?

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:07 am

JG wrote: Also, the million dollar question, how has Suri got access to the Channel 1 databases and others? hmm?

I could be being naive, but I doubt it's through any underhand methods, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that. I suspect he'll have built up his command of different banks over times by playing them a lot. And I expect he's at a level where he doesn't make mistakes i.e. when he gets asked a question and gets it right or eliminates wrong answers, he remembers that pretty much perfectly next time, whether the question is easy or difficult. That's unlike me: whilst I do have quite a lot of SWP-specific knowledge, the amount of times I get questions wrong that I've seen many times before is pathetic, really. I doubt Suri, or for that matter any of his "top boy" rivals, would do that.