Playing quiz machines is a perfectly legal and moral way of making money. A bit like being a pro poker player really. Presumably Pete has no objection to that.
It is a bit "trollish" coming on a quiz machine forum and telling people who can make a living playing quiz machines they shouldn't do it
Since fruit machines are there for the entertainment of "genuine" customers also does he think people who can make fruities pay should not play them either?
quizard wrote:Playing quiz machines is a perfectly legal and moral way of making money. A bit like being a pro poker player really. Presumably Pete has no objection to that.
It is a bit "trollish" coming on a quiz machine forum and telling people who can make a living playing quiz machines they shouldn't do it
Since fruit machines are there for the entertainment of "genuine" customers also does he think people who can make fruities pay should not play them either?
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Perhaps he didnt get his point across in the right way.
I think he has a point, a pub is still classed as a private place, customers are allowed in by invitation of the publican, therefore you are his guest and everything in that pub is designed to cater for his guests. Buying a drink is the least you can do IMO
you wouldnt take kindly to someone coming into your home helping themselves to the content of your fridge then just wandering off would you. thats basically the same. if they werent designed to be played by paying customers they'd put them outside. I think its just a bit of courtesy to at least put some money in the til. Without the pubs and publicans you wouldnt make any profit, you need them more than they need pro players, i'd say anyway. just my opinion
I remember the time a landlord wouldnt let me play his machine as it was for regulars only. I asked him what his definition of regular was so that I could 'regularly' come in and empty his machine instead of me being reasonable and only coming in once every couple of months! :P
"trollish"? don't be an arse. I didn't say there's anything wrong with making a living from SWPs, I just think there are easier ways for intellegent ambitious people to make a far better living. each to their own
Also I'm not saying the design houses have a problem with pro players per se. controling a machine is to trying to stop pro's jackpotting them, but not specifically because they have anything against the pro player. it's because if the game pays £20 out it has to go 134 more games without paying a prize to get back to %. if a game is playing like a dog for that long it'll die so it's in the developers interests to keep it much nearer to % all the time, or at least have it save up for big prizes in advance. games are usually designed to be little and often rather than rarely and big.
my point is much more simple than that and I thought I'd made it clearly. you're in a pub. the landlord has every right to demand you buy a drink. It's exactly the same as newsagents putting "this is not a library" signs up.
I don't agree with landlord throwing out successful AWP or SWP players but that's a different discussion.
it isnt as simple as the machines are designed mainly to pay out little and often although that does come into it. Player pyschology is as important, making a total plank think that they are within a whisker of big money then snatching away from them. Ive seen some planks play dond after getting to the last screen on their first play with £20 and 50p left.When the machine gave them 50p , they thought that they had picked the wrong box and that the machine would ultimately give them the jackpot. They spent the next hr filling it up.
Doctor wrote:you wouldnt take kindly to someone coming into your home helping themselves to the content of your fridge then just wandering off would you. thats basically the same.
If you are going to resort to name calling and personal abuse that is the end of the converstation. Wether you are a troll or not I will leave that to the rest to decide.
it's you with the name calling quizard, I'm saying there's no need to be arsey with me. you misunderstood my post and attributed things to me that weren't in my post.
I didn't tell anyone they shouldn't be making a living playing SWPs and you called me a troll.
Doctor wrote:you wouldnt take kindly to someone coming into your home helping themselves to the content of your fridge then just wandering off would you. thats basically the same.
the premise routinely trotted primarily by landlords and the police that you are in a landlords ' home' doesnt wash as a large number of managed houses do not provide living accomodation on site. The legislation exists to make the publicans and police jobs easier so that they can spend their time booking people for speeding at 5mph over the limit or for dropping a crisp packet (the police). If a person has been visiting a pub for twenty years and the new landlord doesnt like the person and bans him, to any senient person its unfair but unless the person in question is high profile and can damage the companies reputation they(pub company head office) will spout the usual rubbish as the banning will not affect their profits. In my experience the only way a publican gets in trouble with his employers is if he/she has fingers in the till or is not paying their rent if a tenant. They have carte blanche to do whatever they want to.Police / councils/ pub companies generally have a cosy relationship.They do not neccessarily act in the interests of customers.
cool wrote:the premise routinely trotted primarily by landlords and the police that you are in a landlords ' home' doesnt wash as a large number of managed houses do not provide living accomodation on site. The legislation exists to make the publicans and police jobs easier so that they can spend their time booking people for speeding at 5mph over the limit or for dropping a crisp packet (the police). If a person has been visiting a pub for twenty years and the new landlord doesnt like the person and bans him, to any senient person its unfair but unless the person in question is high profile and can damage the companies reputation they(pub company head office) will spout the usual rubbish as the banning will not affect their profits. In my experience the only way a publican gets in trouble with his employers is if he/she has fingers in the till or is not paying their rent if a tenant. They have carte blanche to do whatever they want to.Police / councils/ pub companies generally have a cosy relationship.They do not neccessarily act in the interests of customers.
It does wash clearly. They are entitled to ban anyone if they so wish they dont even have to give reasons, as you said it may effect their takings but that's their risk.
