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donttellhimpike · Post by **donttellhimpike** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:40 pm

i haven't played a fruit machine in anger since meeting a fruit pro in the early 90's and realising i was lining his pockets to a certain extent. ever since i have preferred to let that system flow in my direction.

every experience does have its value naturally, not wishing to be a part of the fruit world at all, it taught me the value of earned cash.

i expect there are more fruities about than quizzers, the last time i met two guys playing fruits they treated me like a diamond in a coal mine; or more probably like south african fisherman netting a coelocanth!!

PIKE

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:14 pm

I played occasional fruities, very badly, in the mid-1990s but made a decision in the late 90s that I lost money overall, lacked the knowledge to improve that situation, and would likely never have the skill advantage over Joe Public that one needs to make overall wins on any kind of cash prize games machine. Nowadays my average investment in fruities per month is about £5, invariably to kill time if there's no quizzie or if I've burnt the quizzie but am waiting for some other purpose. Average wins per month are invariably £0.

I've got great respect for anyone who can turn a profit on the fruities - whilst it's pretty common to see people taking *big* cash wins on the fruits they always look like they've been there a while and had to invest some pretty significant sums to achieve that result. That said, I too suspect there are a lot more pro fruitie players than on the SWPs, and a lot more Joe Public players too. That's a lot of money to be won and I'm sure some players turn a decent living. Credit to them.

YoungKai · Post by **YoungKai** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:11 pm

cool wrote:the bulk of the awp players I have come across in my travels by their own admission are sadly lacking in education, swp players are generally not.

it depends on what you class as educated really. is knowing the answer to several thousand gk questions that much of an asset in life?Also i class myself as quite a smart cookie, but i still get a degree of plaesure from watching the pretty flashing lights on a AWP. gonna stop typing this now as theres a butterfly on the windosi

quizard · Post by **quizard** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:55 pm

The "pro" fruit machine players that I have bumped into over the years have tended to be younger chav/pikey jack-the-lad types (now is there anyone on this board who fits that description?

).

Quiz machine players have generally tended to be more mature,better educated and maybe from higher up the social scale

. So I suppose it is unsurprising really there has never been much cross-over between the two disciplines.

I think though most pro QM players have had a dabble at fruitys at some time or other. I used to sometimes play them to try and look like a casual punter in a difficult pub (A ploy that has sometimes backfired spectacularly when the bandit started streaking straight away

). Or it was one method of trying to change 10p pieces back in the days when SWP's dumped large amounts of such shrapnel on you.

I don't think though the quiz machine player's mindset easily fits in with playing fruits. QM players are not used to leaving the pub with less money than they went in with.

cool · Post by **cool** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:07 am

people always like to say that knowing millions of facts isnt a form of intelligence , yet if you asked joe public if a wwtbam millionaire winner was more intelligent than somebody who didnt make even a grand 100% of people would say thats a stupid question its obvious. However there is in my opinion two distinct forms of intelligence intellectual(in which I & most of the contributors to this site would be in the top 1% of the population)and practical intelligence (in which I would rank at the bottom or near the bottom).I once drilled into a wall in an attempt to put up a picture & got an electricl shock when I drilled through circuitry in the wall. The drill shot out of the wall and impacted on my head causing concussion! That said I'm not dissing awp players. anybody who can beat the system and avoids the taxman deserves respect.

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:23 am

Mattb wrote:All day for £71 isn't bad on SWPs really. When you can make that much in 2 hours on 4 cluedo AWPs though, doesn't compare for me

Sounds like would be useful for when doing the rounds tho matt eh?

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:32 am

intelligent and knowledgeable are not the same thing. (although they are a useful double barrel.)

an intelligent person will know the difference between a fool and an idiot; a knowledgeable person will know the difference because he has learned it.

YoungKai · Post by **YoungKai** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:34 am

i was going to say somthing about accruing knowledge not being a measure of intelligence but someone wiser beat me to it

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:39 am

So for this thing you need to be intelligent?

Not too useful then!

cool · Post by **cool** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:02 pm

knowledge is one facet of intelligence so if being knowledgable isnt proof of intelligence then tiger woods isnt a great sportsman just a great golfer!

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:45 pm

Knowledge is one type of intelligence but some of the most intelligent people I know have very little general knowledge and would be hopeless on an SWP. I've always thought the distinction is between facility with facts and facility with ideas; a successful SWP player needs the former in spades, but could get by without the latter.

VB or UP-style facility with words (as needed to play Word Up etc. etc.) is another type of intelligence altogether.

I think YoungKai is unduly sniffy about the benefits of knowing a large number of facts - it doesn't just help on winning SWPs, it helps in a large number of aspects of every day life, and in any case is (in my opinion) a desirable end in itself quite apart from what other ends it is a means to.

Best wishes for a profitable 2008 to everyone on the forum.

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:53 pm

Ok ill stick to fruits

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:17 am

something else which contributes to whatever intelligence means in the context of SWP is memory (and swift recall thereof).

it is no good knowing that you know an answer without being able to call upon it within the time limit.
in this it is vital to be able to summon uninteresting trivia from a standing start, not just the mildly entertaining stuff which is memorable in itself but drudgery like dates of films, years of composers etc. the synaptic speed of the human brain can be quite remarkable.

to illustrate:
i will never forget that the most difficult colour of firework to manufacture is dark green or that 9

is known as the curse of scotland. however, i still don't know whether john thaw is married to helen mirren or sheila hancock. if i were a more dedicated quizzer this would be unforgivable.

in terms of word games, i have never been bothered to learn the scrabble 2s because i don't care for them but i'd hope to get a 7-letter anagram quickly.

so an agile memory is also part of what separates the sheep from the goats.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:21 am

How very prophetic

shadmun · Post by **shadmun** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:47 pm

Won £12 quid on a titbox last night £4 from bully which doubled up then a £2bonus on pub quiz and a £2 win in same game which then proceeded to pay absolutely fuck all out , with a bit of "gentle persuasion" it paid out £2 :x then the changer light went off think it was the persuasion that done this lol