Bully's Star Prize, Death and Taxes

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:05 pm

Heh, my response to that has always been: "What's the point of having cake if you can't eat it anyway?"

Nil Satis - That's a good example, 'difficulty' is a word relating to how much skill is required to beat a game, not 'fairness'.

Nil Satis · Post by **Nil Satis** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:26 pm

In terms of having cake and eating it (which to be fair has never really made any sense, has it?), all I would say is that I don't expect things to be given to me on a plate and that I am fully prepared to work hard at games, to learn things I didn't know and to get better at the general gameplay and any skill elements. What I get so disilliusioned by is the number of games which offer no real reward even to those who are prepared to put work in to make these improvements.

I know that I am biased from having spent so long playing machines and having seen things so much better but I am genuinely all but done with them now. Most games are just rubbish full stop, and those that do have some merit seem to be one trick ponies at best - they pay out once to somebody and then are to all intents and purposes dead for ever. Gone is the idea of games refreshing themselves after a payout to become worth playing again after sufficient cash has gone back in.

Take a classic example - Caveman Capers is now dead virtually everywhere and as I have explained elsewhere I'm not convinced that this has even taken someone winning £20 on each machine. There is now absolutely no point in the ordinary punter playing this game when there is so little chance of them even winning £1 so it will just fade gently away, when with braver and cleverer programming it could have become a long-term favourite.

All I can reiterate is that if there are really any pros still out there (which by my definition means having no other source of household income and being able to gross say £400 a week every week) then I really do admire them for their skill and tenacity but I feel sorry for the completely mind-numbing slog their 'job' must now entail.

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:40 pm

Nil Satis wrote:In terms of having cake and eating it (which to be fair has never really made any sense, has it.

I know nothing about you little quiz games, but there is a school of thought (that I'm with) which says it makes more sense to have it as "eat your cake and have it." But you probably knew that already.

Isnt the whole thing a misquote anyway?

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:42 pm

Just looke dit up actually, bollocks to 'school of thought' it WAS the original quote to have it the 'correct' way round anyway!

Nil Satis · Post by **Nil Satis** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:41 pm

I'd have thought while you can have (possess) your cake before eating it, you can't eat your cake then have it, as there is no longer a cake to possess after you have eaten it.

Still, enough of this riddling, let's get back to slagging off crap machines...

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:57 pm

Nil Satis wrote:I'd have thought while you can have (possess) your cake before eating it, you can't eat your cake then have it, as there is no longer a cake to possess after you have eaten it.

Isn't that the point NS - having one's cake and eating it isn't unreasonable as it is perfectly possible, whereas it is impossible to eat one's cake and have it, and is thus an unreasonable thing to attempt to want to do. I think the latter formulation (eat and have) is correct.

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:05 pm

there are more important things to worry about than the origins of pithy idioms. like word up

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:43 pm

[quote="unknownpseudonym"]there are more important things to worry about than the origins of pithy idioms. like word up ]

Who are you calling a pithy idiom? ;-)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:32 pm

I think the original was to have one's cake and eat it too.

Nil Satis · Post by **Nil Satis** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:58 pm

That's certainly what the Detroit Spinners said in Working My Way Back To You:

"Thought I could have my cake and eat it too
How I cried over losing you"

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:00 pm

LOL, this thread has taken on a particularly Llyons Victoria Sponge feel!

WaterGate · Post by **WaterGate** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:24 pm

I fink ones are all word up musketeers

Cardinal Sin · Post by **Cardinal Sin** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:38 am

And another point about Bully's Star Prize.

Whenever you lose, you get told "You get nothing but your BFH, your Bus Fare Home". Hurrah, thought I, as I was about 50 miles from home at the time, and the bus would have been at least £10.

Sadly. I didn't even get that. Charlatans.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:40 am

If you were in the US of A, you could surely sue them there :P

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:41 am

They should modernise anyway. You get nothing but your TFH - train fare home. Ok then jim you smart arse, cough up £479 so i can get there! :P