Fruit Machine Chat

I thought I would start a thread on card counting.

Anyone sucessfully done this? What method was used? I was just looking at the Red 7 count as it seem fairly easy do.

Any thoughts?

All I know is, is that it is far from easy quizard.

Forget it unless you are on a single shoe deck, some U.S casinos do offer this, but it's rare these days and the table is watched closely.

To combat the effectiveness of card counting in the U.K, at least 6 decks are used at games of blackjack in casinos. On top of that, after each shuffle, the cards are cut and approximately a deck will never see play.

This is enough to remove any useful edge that counting would have given you.

blackmogu wrote:Forget it unless you are on a single shoe deck, some U.S casinos do offer this, but it's rare these days and the table is watched closely.

To combat the effectiveness of card counting in the U.K, at least 6 decks are used at games of blackjack in casinos. On top of that, after each shuffle, the cards are cut and approximately a deck will never see play.

This is enough to remove any useful edge that counting would have given you.

I checked the four casino's local to me. Grosvenor use an automatic shuffling machine so is obviously no good. The other three however use 4 decks and a traditional shoe. My understanding was that even with the level of penetration you describe counting is still very viable.

Slightly OT but I did really like the film 21 and would recommend it to anyone who likes a bit of blackjack- might watch the blueray myself tonight.

Read this a few years ago. Casinos have gotten wiser since the CCTV age.

Whats that film/documentry about card counting was good, Some group off students in america, keep getting the word midas in my head? anyone seen it?

21 !


Andy Bloch, the poker pro was at the infamous MIT and was a card counter


There was an actual documentary about the subject, The Hot Shoe and another that I don't recall the name of, when a group of about six created an electronic card counter in the late seventies and turned over major London casinos.