This industry is just a complete farce at the moment. The wrong people seem to get the latest information and they don't treat it with respect. They either aren't capable of keeping their mouths shut or they just go around banking good machines.
Connect 4 was a good example without mentioning current stuff. I had a good amount for a month or two, then the idiots somehow found out and they started getting banked and rapidly disappeared. If it wasn't for these people, they could have lasted for another month or two.
I got a working quiz machine at the moment which has lasted months. Not telling anybody has reaped the rewards. Only taking out £50 a week if that, but that makes sure it stays. If some of these stupid rats got their hands on it, then it wouldn't last a week.
Also people around here don't let machines breathe for a day or two. They have to constantly get the little value out of Reds etc. day in day out. Leave them alone for two or three days then they will play so much better. Some people just don't seem to understand, they're in the same pub every day, they just don't learn.
Then you get some of them younger kids (who get lifts from different people everytime) going around the smaller towns doing the Cluedos and clones that wedge. So annoying, but at least the Monopolies and Chipped Cluedos are out of their league.
Surely something's got to change for the better. It was so much better back in the day when you could confidently go into a pub or service station and find the JPMs showing numbers. Its not like it used to be.
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Yeh completely understand, some people are SO intent on burning an area they just HAVE to play everything regardless of it having any value...
If there's an emptiable is HAS to be emptied just to make sure the next person doesn't get value.
Alot of current players don't realise how it was back in £15 and early £25 days, it was so different, instead of 90%+ shit machines, it was 90%+ good machines, and there were hardly any players around. If a trick came out it lasted months without getting chipped as people were careful with it.
Yes a specific good machines profit say ie. hilosilver vs neptunes treasure £15 (yes JPMs were much better than these, I'm just using a streak machine as an example here), is much higher now, given say a pub that is not done in both cases. You'd do (albeit very long ie. 20 hour) service runs and make £1000+ just off early £15/25 machines, I'd do it now, HONEST to god I'd be happy to make £100 even!
Will be interesting to see how these 70's go....
If there's an emptiable is HAS to be emptied just to make sure the next person doesn't get value.
Alot of current players don't realise how it was back in £15 and early £25 days, it was so different, instead of 90%+ shit machines, it was 90%+ good machines, and there were hardly any players around. If a trick came out it lasted months without getting chipped as people were careful with it.
Yes a specific good machines profit say ie. hilosilver vs neptunes treasure £15 (yes JPMs were much better than these, I'm just using a streak machine as an example here), is much higher now, given say a pub that is not done in both cases. You'd do (albeit very long ie. 20 hour) service runs and make £1000+ just off early £15/25 machines, I'd do it now, HONEST to god I'd be happy to make £100 even!
Will be interesting to see how these 70's go....
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Not that I'm in the best position to comment - as I don't play 'for a living' now, but I also completely agree. I'd be slightly concerned about the £1/£70 stake/JP that are to be rolled out over this month. The main reason would be...
*Not including 'non-standard' playing methods...
...There are of course a few reasons for this, one of them being...and make £1000+ just off early £15/25 machines, I'd do it now, HONEST to god I'd be happy to make £100
...But also, does there not appear to be an inverse-relation between stake/prize and profit? In other words, the higher the stake/prize has become, generally the less profit has been made.* As ob says though, will be interesting to say the least, to see how things go when the £70s come into play - I think this is one of the biggest changes to AWPs in a long, long time... Especially considering how tight things are generally when it comes to all things monetary nowadays. But that's another kettle of tinned-worms...Back in the day, instead of 90%+ shit machines, it was 90%+ good machines
*Not including 'non-standard' playing methods...
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I would now like to add that "knowledge"in my opinion is now used as a status symbol rather than for what its intended(to make money).I may be wrong but instead of getting info and keeping "schtum"some cant wait to ring all and sundry bragging"their new trick"so they look good.Like i say i may be wrong! 
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Nope, you are 100% right unfortunately. :xbetchrider wrote:I would now like to add that "knowledge"in my opinion is now used as a status symbol rather than for what its intended(to make money).I may be wrong but instead of getting info and keeping "schtum"some cant wait to ring all and sundry bragging"their new trick"so they look good.Like i say i may be wrong!
"Sixty percent of the time, it works, every time!"
Who is it that tells the idiots though? It really is a status symbol thing as well.
A lot of the younger gamblers can't help saying "watch this" to a casual mate who then goes on to tell everyone on the planet.
This is because we have all seen tips n cheats before but imagine being that person that doesn't really gamble?
If somebody showed u that first Power 5 cheat you would be showing EVERYONE. I know I would! I'd be showing people as I'd be of the mindset of "how random and good is this?" Not with the mindset of "I'm messing somebodies living up"
It's nicer to be a little bit older as people know you can respect information more and aren't jumping around like a little kid with a new toy.
Also people are not realising the importance of the ever present daily refill.
It doesn't take even half a bit of common sense that if a machine constantly needs like £100 - £150 (pretty common in busy bars with note changers etc...) but then suddenly every day it is £225+ then they are going to get rid. Most refills I know are done by managers.
The way to do it obviously is get it done early then let it hammer people during the day. Then every looks fine and it lasts months. But no.
Worst is I knew a Lucky Strike single hopper. A few times I'd check it and it was like £115 off. OK. Then check it later that afternoon out of interest and it would be £123 off. Shocking people fighting for scrappy tenners here and there.
A lot of the younger gamblers can't help saying "watch this" to a casual mate who then goes on to tell everyone on the planet.
This is because we have all seen tips n cheats before but imagine being that person that doesn't really gamble?
If somebody showed u that first Power 5 cheat you would be showing EVERYONE. I know I would! I'd be showing people as I'd be of the mindset of "how random and good is this?" Not with the mindset of "I'm messing somebodies living up"
It's nicer to be a little bit older as people know you can respect information more and aren't jumping around like a little kid with a new toy.
Also people are not realising the importance of the ever present daily refill.
It doesn't take even half a bit of common sense that if a machine constantly needs like £100 - £150 (pretty common in busy bars with note changers etc...) but then suddenly every day it is £225+ then they are going to get rid. Most refills I know are done by managers.
The way to do it obviously is get it done early then let it hammer people during the day. Then every looks fine and it lasts months. But no.
Worst is I knew a Lucky Strike single hopper. A few times I'd check it and it was like £115 off. OK. Then check it later that afternoon out of interest and it would be £123 off. Shocking people fighting for scrappy tenners here and there.
Your bang on the money Betch, changing player base and knowing is more important than earnings.
Post not so long ago about player types already said it, some guys get everything early, but are still in the house skint inbetween stuff.
The inital wrong player point is relevant too - recon it happens becaue of the knowledge point betch made - they all lie about what they did and made or what info they are getting, or how quick they get it.
End result they are given kudos by other players who hardly know them as they only met them once in manchester on that cluedo, but sound like a good contact. They then get info from X, pass it to Y, Y impressed so gives them new trick E1 which goes straight to X... Eventaully they bump into the big boys, or more likely are put in contact with them, so the big boys havn't met them and dont know they are actually a whiney spotty compulsive liar and addict with no disapline. Get E2 off the big boys which has months to run yet, tell all their X and Y's who they have met and are exactly the same player type as them - Lie to get kudos and its all about swapping knowledge to make their dick even bigger.
All the time they are spending everything they make on roulette, coke and deal or no deals, but because they know their stuff - must be a good player.
May as well get used to it - internet and mobile phones combined with the trusting nature of people means those scenarios are here for good.
One more point, as for players burning everything that bit I can understand - we all think we are better than the next guy, or have a competitive edge. If you can push the weaker player out of the game, you win the comp. and make more in long run. Its a narrow minded view, but I suspect shared by most.
For example, I know guys that used to chase lord of the rings, knowing full well consistent profit wasn't going to happen, but chased anyway, purely because "You can't let a punter win! Thats would be devestating"
Its all about greed, status and supporting addiction!
Wish we could relaunch JPM and keep the numbers secret!
Post not so long ago about player types already said it, some guys get everything early, but are still in the house skint inbetween stuff.
The inital wrong player point is relevant too - recon it happens becaue of the knowledge point betch made - they all lie about what they did and made or what info they are getting, or how quick they get it.
End result they are given kudos by other players who hardly know them as they only met them once in manchester on that cluedo, but sound like a good contact. They then get info from X, pass it to Y, Y impressed so gives them new trick E1 which goes straight to X... Eventaully they bump into the big boys, or more likely are put in contact with them, so the big boys havn't met them and dont know they are actually a whiney spotty compulsive liar and addict with no disapline. Get E2 off the big boys which has months to run yet, tell all their X and Y's who they have met and are exactly the same player type as them - Lie to get kudos and its all about swapping knowledge to make their dick even bigger.
All the time they are spending everything they make on roulette, coke and deal or no deals, but because they know their stuff - must be a good player.
May as well get used to it - internet and mobile phones combined with the trusting nature of people means those scenarios are here for good.
One more point, as for players burning everything that bit I can understand - we all think we are better than the next guy, or have a competitive edge. If you can push the weaker player out of the game, you win the comp. and make more in long run. Its a narrow minded view, but I suspect shared by most.
For example, I know guys that used to chase lord of the rings, knowing full well consistent profit wasn't going to happen, but chased anyway, purely because "You can't let a punter win! Thats would be devestating"
Its all about greed, status and supporting addiction!
Wish we could relaunch JPM and keep the numbers secret!
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Re: Its All Going Downhill
What industry? The industry of making money out of fruit machines?logopolis wrote:This industry is just a complete farce at the moment.
Because if you mean the fruit machine industry as a whole, then you're three chilli's short of a curry... The industry is on its arse BECAUSE (in part) to people frauding the machines, and also because there is no fun in playing machines any more because those with knowledge kill all the machines for joe bloggs punters. Hence, joe stops playing.
I appreciate that you are not intimating that you or anyone else are making money out of them illegally. I think you'll find that it becomes a lot, lot harder to use "knowledge" to get anything out of machines. The higher the jackpots, the more the manufacturers make sure there ARE no holes in the code... When its only £10 you're likely to lose at most, its easy to just accept there are bugs and let people find them. When its £70 you could be losing, its not going to happen. Manu's will belts and braces all the games. Those that don't risk losing a lot!
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as one of the older generation of players ive seen a lot of change.
but firstly im gonna agree surprisingly with mr trotter ,,,,,,,,, we call it an industry like its ours, like we expect it to cater for us , ..... but in reality it's a business like any other , designed to make money from it's target demographic , we as pro players dont own it , infact we are nothing more than professional fly's in their ointment . so we cant expect things to go our way with exploitable programmes , when all the industry has to do is read down sites like this and its loose lips to see what we do and dont make money on ,,,,,,,,
i may be partly responsible by the odd coment like everyone but never to the extent of early empty info ,,,,,,,,, which brings it all on top for everyone . i appreciate it's a gambling site for people who like to gamble ,,,,,,,, and what good is a gambling site if you cant talk about gambling , ? fair doo's but it's all in the context .
call me an old fart , but the main difference between old and young players , is they chase the money , short term ,,,,, they dont see the longterm ramification's of their actions ,,,,,, iou' ing everything in their paths ,,,,,,, simply because they can ,,,,,,, and spreading info like butter for bravado rights ,,,,,,,,,,, and thus making trick's last days ,
i dont want to get all hovis and bisto on you dumb young fucks ( when i were a lad lol ) but old trick's like the maygay range lasted 6months before you sore your first chip.
things are gonna get tighter (im not talking about empties) with less and less decent consistent playables ,,,,,,,,, because they need to blow us out . you think we have had enough of the industry ??? no my friends the industry has had enough of us . and we have nobody to blame but ourselves ,,,,,,,,,,
ive met a few of the younger players ,,,, or new players to the game ,,,,,
and no disrespect towards russ from notts ( because he is a really nice guy and gets 90% of info faster than i do ) so respect m8 ,,,,,,,,, but buy your own admittance you would rather have early knowledge , than the discipline to look after the money gained from it , with the live for today attitude , going out every night etc ,,,,,,, earning more than most , but having little savings ,,,,,,,, now im not saying there's anything wrong with that lifestyle , your young ,,,,, why not ??????? but longterm ,,,,,,,, regular profits in this game wont last forever ,,,,,,,, time to look to the future .
i cant criticise people on the letting things breathe topic ,,,,, too many players out there to let anything breathe for too long ,,,,,, its a race for survival
im happy with my place in the race ,,,,,( im the tortoise )
but firstly im gonna agree surprisingly with mr trotter ,,,,,,,,, we call it an industry like its ours, like we expect it to cater for us , ..... but in reality it's a business like any other , designed to make money from it's target demographic , we as pro players dont own it , infact we are nothing more than professional fly's in their ointment . so we cant expect things to go our way with exploitable programmes , when all the industry has to do is read down sites like this and its loose lips to see what we do and dont make money on ,,,,,,,,
i may be partly responsible by the odd coment like everyone but never to the extent of early empty info ,,,,,,,,, which brings it all on top for everyone . i appreciate it's a gambling site for people who like to gamble ,,,,,,,, and what good is a gambling site if you cant talk about gambling , ? fair doo's but it's all in the context .
call me an old fart , but the main difference between old and young players , is they chase the money , short term ,,,,, they dont see the longterm ramification's of their actions ,,,,,, iou' ing everything in their paths ,,,,,,, simply because they can ,,,,,,, and spreading info like butter for bravado rights ,,,,,,,,,,, and thus making trick's last days ,
i dont want to get all hovis and bisto on you dumb young fucks ( when i were a lad lol ) but old trick's like the maygay range lasted 6months before you sore your first chip.
things are gonna get tighter (im not talking about empties) with less and less decent consistent playables ,,,,,,,,, because they need to blow us out . you think we have had enough of the industry ??? no my friends the industry has had enough of us . and we have nobody to blame but ourselves ,,,,,,,,,,
ive met a few of the younger players ,,,, or new players to the game ,,,,,
and no disrespect towards russ from notts ( because he is a really nice guy and gets 90% of info faster than i do ) so respect m8 ,,,,,,,,, but buy your own admittance you would rather have early knowledge , than the discipline to look after the money gained from it , with the live for today attitude , going out every night etc ,,,,,,, earning more than most , but having little savings ,,,,,,,, now im not saying there's anything wrong with that lifestyle , your young ,,,,, why not ??????? but longterm ,,,,,,,, regular profits in this game wont last forever ,,,,,,,, time to look to the future .
i cant criticise people on the letting things breathe topic ,,,,, too many players out there to let anything breathe for too long ,,,,,, its a race for survival
im happy with my place in the race ,,,,,( im the tortoise )
Little discipline = BIG issue
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Agree wholeheartedly... I've had my fair share of emptiers, manipulators, etc... in the past. Thunderbirds lasted a while, as did Supercharged, Money Laundry etc.. round here. But most go quickly due to people wanting to IOU machines, and there have been many posts on other sites (and youtube) of people shouting off saying "look everyone, i IOU'd Money Laundry for £225". Whoopee fucking doo. And now all the manufacturers know about it!
And the manufacturers will have no choice but to batten down the hatches with £70 machines, because otherwise they could be losing upwards of £400 per machine rather than the £200 in most hoppers at the moment.
Sure there will always be mistakes in games - the programmers are human, and these things happen. Whether there will be enough people still bothering to try and find value in random games, or club style games... only time will tell.
And the manufacturers will have no choice but to batten down the hatches with £70 machines, because otherwise they could be losing upwards of £400 per machine rather than the £200 in most hoppers at the moment.
Sure there will always be mistakes in games - the programmers are human, and these things happen. Whether there will be enough people still bothering to try and find value in random games, or club style games... only time will tell.
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