New pound coin

e4ans · Post by **e4ans** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:57 pm

How will this affect a machines hooper do you think?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... y-bit.html

buzzer · Post by **buzzer** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:34 pm

all current coinmechs and most hoppers will not work.

mechs will need reprogramming/replaced and hoppers replaced.

betchrider · Post by **betchrider** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:12 pm

e4ans · Post by **e4ans** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:43 pm

I'll have to get rid of mine when the time comes then

buzzer · Post by **buzzer** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:51 pm

there will be conversion kits made up, i still remember when the 10p coin changed size lol.

real problem will be for much older machines, i reckon old barcrest/ project coin machines will struggle as they used a variety of diffrent compact hoppers.

also older electrocoin bar-x, big 7 machine type machines.

if the coin is much the same size and width then there might not be so much of a problem.

coin mechs will be no worry at all, they will easily be upgraded.

eddiesdad · Post by **eddiesdad** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:13 pm

how many small machine operators will just give up rather than upgrade?

buzzer · Post by **buzzer** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:30 pm

eddiesdad wrote:how many small machine operators will just give up rather than upgrade?

arcades will be hit the hardest i reckon, machine operators who rent/lease to pubs and the like use reasonably new stock, which should be relatively easy to upgrade.

i been thinking about this alot today, arcades are gonna have a tough time.

coinmech upgrade is not as simple as it sounds, you need a mech to perform in three diffrent modes.

mode 1: accept both new and old pound coins, route old coins to hopper/divert when full and new coins to cashbox (for when the coin gets released and is still rare)
mode 2: accept both old and new pond coins, route new coins/divert when full and old coins to cashbox (a few month down the line when there are more new coins than old and hopper is fitted to payout in new coins)
mode 3: accept only new coins (for when old coins become obsolete, this is important because guys making fake coins will still have the eqiupment to make old fake coins, they will try and use them in machines still accepting them)

there is another problem , which will affect arcades more than most, also club machines.

coins with straight edges don't roll as well as coins with round edges.

azcoyn square hoppers have a coin rundown of maybe 6-8 inches, the coin has to roll down on its side for it to work, some machines have double hoppers so double the roll distance.
a coin with edges will not be able to do this, major headache really and a load of machines use this type of hopper.

electrocoin, astra and bellfruit all use them in some machines, going to take a major rework of the machine plumbing to get these working with the new coin.
then there is the pusher machines, will a coin with edges operate properly in these machines? not the greatest takers in the world, but expensive machines that arcades use.

then there is the sit down multi-player machines (elvis/party times etc), which use coin escalators to push the coins up for payout, not sure how a coin with edges will perform on them, they jam at the best of times.. lol

alot to think about if you run a small arcade or chain of arcades....
going to cost a few quid...

BFK · Post by **BFK** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:37 pm

Bless those poor arcades

spa · Post by **spa** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:30 pm

It is reported it will be 'roughly the same size'.

I guess newer machines will be easier to upgrade than the old classics on tubes....

Roll_With_It_Russ · Post by **Roll_With_It_Russ** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:03 pm

TITO all the way, more interested in who will take the hit for all the fakes, someone somewhere is lumbered with them.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:16 pm

Make the machines £2 coin and £20 note payout, until the old coins are obsolete.

There's three years to sort the problem out.

Machines existed before £1 coins where in existence. admittedly is was tubes in those days. Payout was 50p, 10p and 20p tokens.

buzzer · Post by **buzzer** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:23 pm

harry2 wrote:Make the machines £2 coin and £20 note payout, until the old coins are obsolete.

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i was thinking along those lines as well.

but i would mean there would be no odd wins unless they made up the diffrence, don't think it would work well with older or small jackpot machines

The Dark Horse · Post by **The Dark Horse** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:59 pm

Sounds like this is going to kill off all seaside arcades and the Butlins style holiday parks will be hit hard. Sad but a new pound coin us needed. I'd say the amount of fake pound coins in circulation is much higher than the 3% figure they claim, more like 10-15%, but then maybe that's because the coins I deal with come from fruit machines which are easy targets for fake coin scams.

paragoon · Post by **paragoon** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:03 pm

The Dark Horse wrote:Sounds like this is going to kill off all seaside arcades and the Butlins style holiday parks will be hit hard. Sad but a new pound coin us needed. I'd say the amount of fake pound coins in circulation is much higher than the 3% figure they claim, more like 10-15%, but then maybe that's because the coins I deal with come from fruit machines which are easy targets for fake coin scams.

Could be the end of the quiz machines too. There's less and less of them, they don't accept the new 10 and 5ps as it is.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:17 pm

The Butlins/ seaside arcades could pay out in £1 tokens, which could be exchanged for real money at the cash desk or like those machines you feed the coins in to change up for notes. A little like cashing your chips in at a casino.