Playing an AWP online

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:29 pm

for online fruits lol?

anfield road · Post by **anfield road** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:51 pm

Noels Beard wrote:I think that's going to be a very difficult concept to sell. Especially here. A representation would never play the same as a pub machine, as you would either have to make it totally random, or incorporate the fact that thousands of people could be winning or losing on it at any time, making it seem pretty random. If it was just a terminal for every individual user, then it almost has to be random, as otherwise you're only playing to win your own money.

AWP's work best in a social environment.

I would just change I.P address and login names.... therefore I would have my dig it ready everywere I went, would fucking smash it in the internet cafes

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:02 pm

My opinion is that in terms of a casual punter why would they want to play one of these when they have much better options and chances of winning with other online slots. Most casuals in pubs put money in a machine because it is there in front of them, they don't go looking for it and its success is much related to a pub environment and culture.

It would also be a really bad idea for pro players. Pro playing requires much hard work, effort and organisation and that is generally the hardest part of fruit playing - not the execution of tricks or methods. Unless you're in the 1% that is regularly self sufficient, playing AWPs for profit normally requires limited intelligence or skills which is why we see many of life's failiures being able to turn their hand to it. Online AWPs would take away the hard work and organisation factors leaving the door open to virtually anyone who wanted to have a go at being a player. Also faults and methods could be flagged up easily which means players would be shooting themselves in the foot. If we think internet forums were bad for our sport, what would this concept do to it? Probably finish it.

Ultimatley the reason AWPs exist is becacause there are constraints about what category and types of gaming are allowed in society in the UK. Once there are no constraints AWP's are swallowed up and have a limited role to play in a gambling enviroment.

Pub fruits have remained on some betting terminals in a digital format but this is very much a novelty factor and would account for a very low % of revenue for the terminal. Going online is taking another step up the ladder that in my view would be doomed to fail.

Kind Regards, Sir Linesman

dakky · Post by **dakky** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:03 pm

what company?

Drpepper · Post by **Drpepper** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:42 pm

Some excellent points here guys, probably correct that it's a non starter, but i assume they want to see something different, and this is a nice tangent, and something i can convey a compelling image with....

This is essentially some target market research, and i share most of the opinions of Sirlinesman regarding it accelerating the decline of the industry. But as it has been acknowledged on here several times, regardless of the pace, the decline of the industry is inevitable, and with this, the concept of the compensated AWP is in danger of becoming a thing of the past; hence in my opinion any attempts to implement compensated machines into the online field can only be a positive for the industry in the long term.

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:39 pm

There is an advantage to operators to compensated games in real world settings where cash is being used, as it regulates the accounting. I would imagine if we were all loading up fruits on a debit card, and taking it off on a card as well (which will no doubt happen as contactless payment becomes more mainstream and cash is phased out) - the need for compensation will diminish. Online, I can't see why anyone would want anything compensated. For the points I related at the start of this thread I actually think it would put me off. As for online queues and imaginary locations, well... I'm not sure of your position, but you might find that a hard sell to everyone concerned!

toffeeboy · Post by **toffeeboy** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:01 pm

Personally I think you'd be on a winner. Most people don't care about %s or imaginary pubs etc they want to play a machine they recognise. If you stuck a DOND fruit machine online you would make a fortune.

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:36 pm

Yeah you would. We're not disputing this. We're talking about profiling, and the difference between compensated and random machines. They couldn't be true 'pub' fruits because the nature of Internet is very different from a real world environment.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:55 pm

Irrelevant really. If they were exactly the same as pub machines, the site would soon flag up the professional players and they would close your account.

Just like getting barred from a virtual pub.

Increasingly happening to horse racing punters as software tracks those that either win or take the largest odds.

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:12 pm

That's ridiculous. What a silly comparison.

Horse racing obviously is an independent event, out of control of the operator; and an online fruit would be designed and run by the operator.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:59 pm

Noels Beard wrote:That's ridiculous. What a silly comparison.

Horse racing obviously is an independent event, out of control of the operator; and an online fruit would be designed and run by the operator.

Well, wait and see.

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Tue May 01, 2012 12:44 am

The point Harry is trying to make is correct. If professional players successfully targeted AWPs online it would ruin the credibility of the whole concept and would need intervention from the operator.

Whether it is blackjack in the casino, fruit machines, horse racing or any form of gambling, when a customer develops a sustained edge over a format or odds it is nearly always recognised and action will be taken. Action will usually take the form of barring's or strict restrictions and limits on the type of business that can be conducted by a customer.

Like Harry says, there is software specifically used to monitor accounts and they will be a wide variety of thresholds in operation determining when an account should be flagged. In the bookmaking world you have Victor Chandler who is well known for flagging up non-profit accounts in as little as 3 transactions and at the other end of the scale you have Bet365 who will tolerate professional customers for a much greater length of time.

Kind Regards, Sir Linesman

Glendale · Post by **Glendale** » Tue May 01, 2012 1:00 am

Can see what your all saying, even beardy, but sir linesman is right that you would soon get flagged! Everyone hates a winner, even more, sites that need losers!

Marcossvon · Post by **Marcossvon** » Tue May 01, 2012 8:43 am

The thread asked if the idea of swp online would work. By showing that "pros" would get restricted you are adding to the probability that this could work for the vast casual population.

Mike25 · Post by **Mike25** » Tue May 01, 2012 12:01 pm

In the last quarter of 2008, Ladbrokes released a selection of online compensated pub style AWP's. From a professional point of view, these games were diabolical. Not only did each account holder only have access to just one of each machine, but each machine started off with no value whatsoever. This meant that the customer could never get in front. The programming of these games were also very poor, with various rips being found easily. These rips were useless since the player could only take out the value (brilliant in a pub situation), and could only win their own money back. As stated by others, compensated games are only worth playing, when you have the chance to win money lost by others. The game with the most obvious faults was called HipHopopotamus, but both Jamaican-a-fortune and Cash 'n' Curry were not far behind.

Overall, AWP machines online in the current format simply does not work, and more importantly morally wrong to have machines which are not possible to win on, even in the very short term.