Would you...

[Oddfeet63]

Heard about somebody who proposed something similar to a company and was very lucky to avoid prison for blackmail or extortion or something

[trayhop123]

100k

2k a week , guaranteed income


or carry on with pro fruit playing ,,,,,,,,,,,, in an uncertain future



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, hard decision :P

[TINYMcFINEY]

Yes not a very hard decison is it Mr. Trayhop!!!!!!!

[Mystery_Plum]

I think your missing the point. Your not going to be selling info, you will be gathering info and then returning it back to your employer I.e barcrest so they are more ahead of the game. (chip things earlier).

I think 100,000 is more than reasonable considering how much they can save in the long run. And the majority of people here, haven't got a gambling problem or have been nicked... It's a proffession in alot of peoples eyes. Hence the saying 'graft for your dough'

If that's all you had to offer a company you'd be lucky to get a 5th of that as a salary. You're forgetting that these companies are manufacturers - they sell fruit machines, they don't operate them.

If you had never worked before and turned up at a major manufacturer with 'playing fruits for 15 years' as your only skill you'd be lucky to get a job in the test department on 15k because even that requires you to be computer literate to an extent.

[toothless11]

Fair point mystery, I don't know the ins and outs of how all these companies work. I'm pretty sure there's subliminary areas which deal with the operational side, and other parts that deal with aesthetic value/design or whatever.

If your 'properley' in the know/top boy or whatever, then you would be extremely beneficial to companies... Especially when it comes to the tooling side of things. Alot of the times, they know sonething is up, the machine isn't making as much money etc, but by the time they work out if it's being robbed or if it's a fault in the programme they've already lossed thousands. Especially with some of the tight connected networks that go on between players on a national scale.

[Mystery_Plum]

Yes indeed, but if you were at the sharp end of machine fraud you'd be on more than £100k a year tax free. You'd have 2 or 3 crews out 50 weeks a year doing certain cabinets with a tool that they would have to give you a grand a week to have the 'exclusive' use of. That's £100-150k a year already, tax-free, on top of whatever else you might have going.

Therefore £100k before tax as a wage wouldn't be enough for you, and it would be far too much for Gamestech and the like. It's a bit Catch-22 really.

Really all manufacturers are interested in is selling units so they don't go under. They will do all they reasonably can to test the games properly before they go out and all they reasonably can to make sure the cabinets are secure and can't easily be tooled. Once they're on the lorry and the invoice has gone out they don't give a fuck what happens because the onus now shifts onto the operator. They've paid for the product and it's up to them to ensure that it earns money. BarFruit will support the product of course if a problem arises but they'll do the quickest and easiest thing because the coder has already moved onto another game. Emptiers and tooling is just an occupantional hazard which affects the operator financially and the manufacturer by damage to their reputation. But with few manufacturers in existence the operators will still go back to them again for more machines anyway, especially if mostly they perform well, because who else can they go to? And tooling is virtually unstoppable in any case - once the 'top boys' have a cabinet they will be able to produce some sort of tool, crude or otherwise to exploit it in some way. The only way to slow this down is to constantly design new cabinets, but that's just unnecessary expenditure that most companies rightly choose not to partake in.

£15-18k with no qualifications, £20k tops if you've got a few brain-cells. Any more than that and you'd be putting skilled people's backs up. You might be worth more than that in the long-run, but they're not going to pay it, because they don't need to. They'll just wait until the time comes and send a few jiffy-bags out with some plates and screws in.



Interesting thread though, wish there were more of them.

[The Dark Horse]

Like Plum said it's the operators who lose out on empty/tool/rips.

The manufacturers make money from them. Thats why they put them there. So they can filter out expensive individual software updates to operators,doubling their income. Thats why they let this outdated technology continue, instead of fully converting to digital internet connected technology which they could have years ago. The manufacturers would lose thousands if they couldn't sell chips anymore.

We are just a brunt left on the operators in a complex scam designed to make money for manufacturers. Sound like a conspiracy theory but may be the truth.

[badders2]

yeah i think hes talking about some guy on the other forrum who has pied his way into debt and has asked mummy and daddy to bail him him. IM NOT BEING FUNNY MATE BUT TRUE PLAYERS, ARE NOT GAMBLERS

you are such thick idiot maverdick it will HOPEFULLY happen to an asshole like u