S16s - Utter rubbish

Fruiter · Post by **Fruiter** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:04 pm

SteveV2 wrote:
poundropper wrote:I've found the way to come away with profit on these is to limit yourself to 10-20 quid per machine.
If it doesnt pay from the first note,sod it.
That is how people lose hundreds/thousands on one machine.
There is nothing to chase,the machine will pay when it wants.
A couple of days back I walked with a hansome profit(£150 for £10 stake by moving from machine to machine.
A spin and win gave 40 from the first 10,Slotto gave a quick 50,as did little devils,and Elvis gave 60.
Rainbow riches and another couple gave nothing from the first ten,so I got off.
Also it's always a good idea to pop in for a gamble when youur time is limited.
How many times have we spent hours in arcades to have a win and plough it back in?
Now I just play for a few minutes.
That way you either lose a little bit,or come away with a decent win.
Yeah, but when each of the 8 or so machines don't pay on the 1st note you'd be up how much? Even just £10 in each would result in an £80 loss in the space of 5 minutes.

Suppose you could class £80 as a little bit.

I think the idea is that if you lose £20 on one not to go and play another 7 s16,s. you may aswell just stick to the first one for all the difference it would make.

poundropper · Post by **poundropper** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:50 pm

Sorry.I didnt word it very well.
If you have no luck to begin with(I limit myself to £40in one session,but anyone could do the same with 10-20)then walk away.
I wouldnt stick 10-20 in each s16 the place had.

COASTERDESIGNERPRO1 · Post by **COASTERDESIGNERPRO1** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:31 pm

I stick to only a 3 sec 16s. Rainbow Riches, Elvis Top 20, Reel King Slotto.

I play them because i like the theme and they have decent bonus features in my opinion. I play the Barcrest ones because if offers me to play all 20 lines at 50p. I only play Reel King at £2 because of the activation of the reel king feature. BTW the highest reel king feature i have had is £47.

I do not and will not play Party Games Slotto, Little Devils, Monkey Business, Fortune 500 etc. I have played a Spin N Win and Mega Bars once. I will not play them games again.

How have the rest of you done and what ones do you play and what ones do you avoid.

Fruiter · Post by **Fruiter** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:47 pm

Elvis top 20 can be a really good game, although i do like a profit i do plat these kind of machines for enjoyment (although it wasn't fun when i lost £1000's) I play online too, paddypower have some great slots which are just like s16's, i play 45p per go for a £5,000 JP, i played with a tenner yesterday, took a copuple of features and withdrew £70, not bad for a laugh!

spa · Post by **spa** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:41 pm

poundropper wrote:Sorry.I didnt word it very well.
If you have no luck to begin with(I limit myself to £40in one session,but anyone could do the same with 10-20)then walk away.
I wouldnt stick 10-20 in each s16 the place had.

Ahh, gotcha

bigv038 · Post by **bigv038** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:37 am

COASTERDESIGNERPRO1 wrote: How have the rest of you done and what ones do you play and what ones do you avoid.

avoid them all!

COASTERDESIGNERPRO1 · Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:10 am

I have lost loads too on these, so i now restrict myself on them.

TheMission · Post by **TheMission** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:10 am

Ahh another S16 thread, complete with all the "They're definitely not random" theories that are based on nothing but pure speculation and, to be frank, sheer ignorance.

If you don't understand maths, don't comment - you ain't fit to. Certainly don't put forward your opinions as facts because, unless you are involved in the design and/or programming of these machines, they are meaningless without any concrete information on how the software works.

Fruiter · Post by **Fruiter** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:50 am

TheMission wrote:Ahh another S16 thread, complete with all the "They're definitely not random" theories that are based on nothing but pure speculation and, to be frank, sheer ignorance.

If you don't understand maths, don't comment - you ain't fit to. Certainly don't put forward your opinions as facts because, unless you are involved in the design and/or programming of these machines, they are meaningless without any concrete information on how the software works.

Calm down mate, i don't think anyone's trying to state that they know they're not random, we're all just giving our own opinions.

Why are you trying to protect s16's anyway?

Dunhamzzz · Post by **Dunhamzzz** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:01 am

BFG's always go 2 wins in a row. I only play on them if I See some1 has just taken one win and walked. Worked nicely for £44 from £2 !
N00bs Don't ask for what i mean by "second win" it was somit i worked out on them

chav666 · Post by **chav666** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:07 pm

Sec 16's are random - simple as that. WHY?

1. They dont need to be fixed. They will pay out 94% or whatever, over time BECAUSE they are random.

2. Who is going to fix them? The manufacturer? Do you REALLY think a manufacturer is going to comprimise their company and invite HUGE lawsuits for misleading consumers - only so that arcade owners can make more money? LOL

3. It has been proven that random number generators are by far THE most addictive programs. It is in human nature to look for patterns. When we find the pattern we exploit it and move on. With a RNG there is no pattern - so we will keep looking INDEFINATELY. How many people have you seen wack a £500 win back into a machine???

Cardinal Sin · Post by **Cardinal Sin** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:15 pm

I'd agree with all that... although manufacturers do sometimes put "illegal" things into a machine, e.g. jackpot repeaters that are guaranteed to repeat are illegal. However, since anyone who gets one is unlikely to complain that they got a repeating jackpot, they've managed to get away with it.

Another reason why s16s and FOBTs are so addictive is that we're used to playing AWPs, which broadly speaking can be forced. If you fling £100 into most machines, you're guaranteed a good wad of it back (unless you're very unlucky). However, no matter how much you stick in these machines, you've no guarantee that you are getting ANY back. However, most people didn't realise this, which is why you hear tales of people flinging grand after grand into the machines.

Here's a question. If a S16 machine is set to pay out at say 96%, what are the approximate chances that it will pay out over 100%, and the owners will end up losing money on it?

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:18 pm

"random" is problematic, afaiu a computer (by its very nature) cannot generate a truly random number any better than you or i.

but this is a different kettle of fish.

if you want to put £100 through a machine and get £96 back, be my guest.

if you then want to put £96 through to get £92.16 back, bully for you

if you want to invest £92.16 for a return of £88.47 well that is just silly.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:31 pm

....and how likely is that pattern. Not very

You usually lose a bucketload on these, or get a big win. If i've won a lot on the AWPs, i sometimes stick a few £ in the s16 BFM hurricane. Have had £40 and £100 off one before. I never put much in though, bit pointless really!

Matt

Demmerz · Post by **Demmerz** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:32 pm

^^ ....although computers are better at it. The following is very simple logic but it may be of use to some of you.

In a "win or don't win" situation there are two variables, as in heads or tails. We would aim for a near 50/50 split when creating a random number, when in actual fact, in a 200 turn cycle, there could be 100 no wins in a row followed by one win, followed by another 99 no wins.

This could also work the other way round. As Chav666 said, human nature is to look for patterns. You try different patterns, then one works. So you try it again and it works again and you think you've cracked it - but you've only reached a streak of 'win' commands. Then the payout stops but you keep trying your 'tried and tested' method and before you know it you've lost all of your money.

Then it starts again next time because chance games are indeed very addictive - this is why casino's do so well out of their punters!